Rand Paul Answers; The Daily Paul Interview

http://twitter.com/RandPaulReview Rand Paul Review

Rand Paul – addresses drones, raw milk, and hemp legalization, all in a week, and people are saying he’s not a true libertarian. Crazy.

Briantickell

I just wish he would have addressed the real delegate count vs the AP count. I don’t completely agree on the AP count for delegates, as it seems far from accurate.
Also, I didn’t see a discount for the Ron Paul Swag as mentioned in the podcast.
- brian
  
  He didn’t quote the AP count, he quoted the Paul Campaigns internal delegate count.
Ichoosefreedom

Agreed.
Dan

I know it’s crazy that we take Rand at his own word that he is not a libertarian.

“They thought all along that they could call me a libertarian and hang that label around my neck like an albatross, but I’m not a libertarian,” Paul

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1972721,00.html

So either he is not a libertarian or he is a typical lying politician.
- http://twitter.com/MedullaPancreas 0(o_o)0(-_-)(o…o)
  
  One Man A Revolution Does Not Make
  
  Rand is *pro liberty* and should be judged not by the misconstruing of him or his words but by his deeds.
  
  Do those complaining about Rand know something about the delegate numbers that isn’t being discussed by the campaign? Do they know some secret strategy to win the nomination without them? If not, it is unfair to wish Congressman Paul would turn water into wine with regard to the delegate numbers, as he never claimed to be the revolution’s deity.
  
  He also never claimed to be the revolution.
  
  He’s always made it clear that he was/is a representative of the revolution (and one of it’s most prominent) but that YOU were the revolution that pushed him and the issues into the national discussion.
  
  Most have been woken up in the last eight years to this movement that Ron has been fighting the last 30+ years of his life. More need to be woken up.
  
  I think it is high time we realized WE are the revolution..
  
  and the revolution marches on.
- http://twitter.com/MedullaPancreas 0(o_o)0(-_-)(o…o)
  
  One Man A Revolution Does Not Make
  
  Rand is *pro liberty* and should be judged not by the misconstruing of him or his words but by his deeds.
  
  Do those complaining about Rand know something about the delegate numbers that isn’t being discussed by the campaign? Do they know some secret strategy to win the nomination without them? If not, it is unfair to wish Congressman Paul would turn water into wine with regard to the delegate numbers, as he never claimed to be the revolution’s deity.
  
  He also never claimed to be the revolution.
  
  He’s always made it clear that he was/is a representative of the revolution (and one of it’s most prominent) but that YOU were the revolution that pushed him and the issues into the national discussion.
  
  Most have been woken up in the last eight years to this movement that Ron has been fighting the last 30+ years of his life. More need to be woken up.
  
  I think it is high time we realized WE are the revolution..
  
  and the revolution marches on.
  - Dan
    
    I’m not sure why that is a response to what I said. I just pointed out that it is not crazy to not consider Rand a libertarian when he doesn’t consider himself a libertarian. I haven’t said a thing about delegates. I realized Ron Paul wasn’t going to win a long time ago. But I wasn’t worried about election results to begin with so I haven’t been losing any sleep. To me, this revolution is about educating people on the merits of Austrian economics and libertarianism. Ron Paul’s campaign was just a very good way to deliver the message but I was never deluded enough to think that we were going to change DC. I don’t want to change it, I want to abolish it. You’re barking up the wrong tree with your comment.
    
    As for Rand, I understand that he fights for freedom most of the time, but that doesn’t make him a libertarian. I don’t know why I should doubt him when he doesn’t even think of himself as one. He’s a conservative that leans libertarian a lot of times and that perfectly fine for him. But if he wanted me to divert my time, money, and energy towards helping his political career then he should have never voted for sanctions, an act of war, on Iran or endorsed a man I consider to be the antithesis of liberty. Rand might think Romney isn’t that bad but the guy’s ideas make me want to vomit. Hell, even if Romney said some things I agreed with I wouldn’t trust him because he constantly has proven himself to be a liar. So considering Rand has done things that I find despicable I no longer feel it is worth it to support his political career. I’ll support him on matters where he defends libertarian principles but I won’t support his campaigns. I feel my money, time, and energy will be better spent promoting LRC, The Mises Institue, and Tom Woods’s Liberty Classroom. They have never done anything that I find despicable and I feel they are better at spreading the message than Rand. Sorry if that hurts Rand Paul’s or his supporter’s feelings but I have more important things to worry about.
    - Blakmira
      
      Are you really that slow that you think Rand REALLY believes he has one single thing in common with Romney? Don’t know much about strategy, do you?
      
      Maybe if you didn’t babble so much about the precious Libertarian party (which crapped out when they elected former CIA member and pro-drug war Bob Barr!) perhaps the space between your ears wouldn’t be so crowded with little gnats distracting you from thinking.
      
      BTW Tom Woods just announced in a video that Ron Paul has made it clear that there is ZERO chance of him ever endorsing or supporting or siding with Romney. There. That’s something to chew on.
    - Dan
      
      What are you talking about? So your argument is that Rand is lying when he says that he and Romney have a lot of issues they agree on? Wow, that is so much better. Look, I understand why Rand made this endorsement, but I disagree with his strategy. I’m sorry if that ruffles your delicate feathers but I happen to think Ron Paul is right on this by not endorsing a man like Romney. I don’t hate Rand because of this but I don’t respect his decision either. I’ll still support him when he stands by libertarian principles but I won’t be putting my efforts into furthering his political ambitions. I’d rather put my energy into educational efforts than in politics. Rand lost my time, energy, and money by voting for sanctions on Iran and endorsing a man I couldn’t despise more. If you don’t like that then I don’t know what to tell you. My opinions don’t stop you from supporting him, so do what ever the hell you want.
      
      Now, on to the BS you created in your head. I don’t support the Libertarian Party. I didn’t come close to claiming I did. I don’t support any political party. I only support individuals and organizations that I believe in and there is no political group that fits that category. You need to learn how to comprehend the words people write. I find it hilarious you accuse me of not thinking when you start attacking me for shit I never said. I said I would put my efforts into supporting things like LRC, mises.org, and Tom Woods’s Liberty Classroom. In my opinion, those kind of people and projects are doing a much better job of spreading libertarianism and Austrian economics. If you would rather support Rand then you feel free to do what ever you like.
      
      As for what Tom Woods said, I’ve been saying all along that I thought there was no chance that Ron Paul would endorse Romney. I’ve been telling people who have been attacking Ron Paul because of his son’s endorsement that they were way off base to do so. You seem to be attacking some character that you created in your own head. Why don’t you take a deep breath and realize that people are not required to agree with you over Rand’s endorsement of Romney. You may think it is great strategy but I don’t. It doesn’t bother me one iota that some people are still going to put time, money, and effort into supporting Rand’s political ambitions, but I don’t feel the same way and I don’t give a shit if that upsets you.
    - ronb28135
      
      Dan, I appreciate your concentrating on organizations that you find true to the message. I dropped out of the Libertarian Party (member since 1972) back in 2001 when they allowed the Republicans to have an influence on the platform after 911.
      
      I rethought my libertarianism and began to include a sharper focus on (U.S.) constitutionalism. I had hoped during the debates that the good Doctor’s comments would have changed the focus from who was the most conservative candidate to who was the strictest constitutionalist.
      
      Over the years I have found these activist organizations to be worthy: Fully Informed Jury Assoc., Advocates for Self Government, the International Society for Individual Liberty, the Institute for Justice, and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.
      
      One magazine that I found to be a rather pleasant surprise is the American Conservative. It tends to lean more toward the Robert Taft brand of Conservatism and away from the neocons.
    - Dan
      
      Yeah I think the best thing people can do is to educate themselves, spread the message, and support the people or groups you believe in the most. I’m personally a Rothbardian so it should be no surprise that I support the groups that I do. I do occasionally read some of the articles at American Conservative.
    - PaulBot
      
      That’s because Ron Paul is done running. But when Ron Paul was and had to work within the Republican system, he too endorsed many you and I would never endorse.
    - http://www.facebook.com/RoboIII Robert Bolender
      
      I believe what he was trying to say is that since he’s a Republican and was elected a Republican he’s a Republican, politically speaking. Ideologically speaking his actions indicate a Libertarian bent. Kind of like his dad. Get it?
    - Dan
      
      So you agree with me that Rand Paul is a conservative that leans libertarian a lot of times, and that Rand Paul Review saying it is crazy to not consider him a real libertarian was a stupid comment considering the man himself would disagree with anyone who labeled him a libertarian. That is the full extent of what I was responding to.
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Gary-Nolan/100001971002331 Gary Nolan
      
      I see. Well, if Rand is not a true liberal he’ll never have to be concerned with ever getting my vote. I’ll save my vote for the marketplace — where it makes a difference.
    - Dan
      
      I’m fine with that.
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Gary-Nolan/100001971002331 Gary Nolan
      
      So if Rand is not a “libertarian” — what is he? It be nice if he said he was a truly progressive liberal …. but that might be too much to expect. btw, a progressive liberal is one who believes in progress through creativity, imagination and innovation based on the principles of freedom, individual liberty, property sanctity and free enterprise. liber = free or freedom; al = of or pertaining to
      
      Thus a LIBERAL is one who believes in actions and principles that pertain to freedom.
    - Dan
      
      Ok, but you might want to tell progressive liberals that because the typical person who labels themselves with that term doesn’t believe in free enterprise and capitalism.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Gary-Nolan/100001971002331 Gary Nolan
    
    Well, if WE are the revolution, then WE (those of us who are bound Romney delegates) must make a decision to vote our conscience. And if that means voting for GOOD instead of EVIL, so be it.
- Blakmira
  
  What are you going on about? Is this about political parties or voting according to your message?
  
  If you look at Rand Paul’s voting record, it goes blatantly against the neocon agenda and for the people.
  
  Now what were you going on about? Libertarian something or other? Who gives a rat’s ass.
  - Dan
    
    What are you going on about? You can’t seem to differentiate between libertarianism and the LP. And what do neocons have to do with my comment? But since you bring up the neocon agenda, Rand Paul did follow that agenda when he voted for sanctions, an act of war, on Iran. So while I agree with Rand the vast majority of the time he has done things that I find despicable. I’m sorry if I’m not as enamored with Rand Paul as you are.
    
    Man, I point out how stupid it is to call the idea of Rand Paul not being a true libertarian crazy by showing the man himself saying he is not a libertarian, and that upsets you? Get a life.
    - Brian
      
      Why do you go on about Rand Paul not being a libertarian? You don’t have to be libertarian to be a liberty candidate / constitutional republican. He has as much a right to be a member of this movement as we do. I’m not completely libertarian, Personally I’d say I’m probably closer to Rand on government than Dr. Paul.
    - Dan
      
      Oh. My. God. Again, I brought it up because Rand Paul Review said it was crazy to think that Rand wasn’t a real libertarian. Since Rand Paul doesn’t consider himself a real libertarian I pointed out that Rand Paul Review was wrong. I never said anything about him not having a right to be a part of our movement.
- http://twitter.com/americanpirates Aaron
  
  Rand is taking a *false definition of “libertarian” and contrasting himself. Is it a bit slippery? Yes. But I’m sure he would agree and knows well the Reagan quote:
  
  “I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.”
  
  *To many traditional conservatives, libertarian equals Adam Kokesh (an anarchist).
  - Dan
    
    Hey, I was responding to the original commenter who scoffed at the people who say Rand isn’t a true libertarian and called that idea crazy. Since Rand Paul doesn’t call himself a true libertarian it was a stupid comment. That doesn’t mean I think Rand is terrible or doesn’t have a lot of libertarian leanings. I think Rand is great on a lot of issues but he seems like what you quoted, a conservative with a lot of libertarian ideas. I think Rand would say that is exactly what he is. I’m not bashing the guy for it. I’m just pointing out that it isn’t “crazy” to agree with Rand Paul himself on whether he is a real libertarian.
  - Nobodyyouknow
    
    Actually, you’re missing a lot of Reagan’s statement (and thus the intent):
    
    “If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.
    
    Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.”
    
    Reagan unfortunately doesn’t realize that government is simply individuals, and thus government can be (and usually is) a vehicle for tyranny by individuals.
    
    And a lot of good Reagan’s statist conservative presidency did… his successors were the Bushes, and look at what they did to fuck everything up.
- Storris
  
  A Constitutional reformer looks a lot like a Libertarian when the rest of the picture is taken up by Romnom and Obamination. – Attacking the use of Drones, the Drug War and the banning of raw milk sales is not libertarian, it is Republican and Constitutional.
  
  We need to get some points straight on this issue. Ron Paul and Rand Paul are not offering any libertarian policies. They are offering Republican, and constitutional reforms to the current social-democratic program that is being offered by Romnek, Obamatron and everyone else in the US.
  
  What’s the difference between Constitutionalism and Libertarianism? The Constitution is the difference. The Constitution is a liberal* government manifesto.
  *classically liberal
  
  What does a Libertarian document document look like?
  
  http://www.icts.uiowa.edu/sites/default/files/contract.jpg
  
  (No copyright infringement intended, used under ‘fair use’ for education and information purposes only.)
  
  Those libertarians supporting Ron Paul, including me, are doing so as part of the movement towards the ultimate goal of self-government by contracts freely entered into by each party in their own interests.
  
  Those who are not libertarians – Republicans, Democrats and Independents – are supporting Ron Paul because they support the foundations upon which the United States of America were built, The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights.
  
  These documents ‘legitimise’ what libertarians do not need to have legitimised. The differing philosophies of the State of Nature (see Locke, Hobbes, Rousseau and Ayn Rand) need to be understood (are rights and morality granted only by government/society, or are they inherent in man in nature?)
  
  To claim that either a Senator or Congressman could be running for election on Libertarian principles is almost laughable. It kind of runs against the grain and would leave them open to chants of “Hypocrisy” from people like me. They are running on and serving on Republican and constitutional platforms. I’m glad these guys are in the government (Ron more than Rand, I just don’t think he really believes his father is right. I guess we’ll see some time soon) no matter what their policy and legislative decisions are. They are making Americans ask the kinds of questions that these guys – http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Scene_at_the_Signing_of_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States.png – asked about King George III, questions that would not otherwise be asked.
  
  (No copyright infringement intended, used under ‘fair use’ for education and information purposes only.)
  
  For the supporters of Americas founding principles, Ron Paul and The Constitution are the goal. (The Jury is still out on Rand)
  
  For libertarians, this is just the beginning of a long road.
  
  Peace, Liberty and Prosperity. Nothing less will do.
qwerty

He admits he isn’t a Libertarian.
- Blakmira
  
  And? Your point is?
  - Dan
    
    His point is that Rand Paul Review is wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.
http://www.clubvalenciacf.blogspot.com SlickR

Rand Paul praising himself? Nice, I didn’t think it would come to that level.
- Wmajest2630
  
  It’s called defending yourself against the raving idiots that simply don’t understand what is going on.
  - http://www.clubvalenciacf.blogspot.com SlickR
    
    Yeah people don’t understand that Rand voted for sanctions against Iran, they don’t understand that he wants people arrested for going to a specific political movement, he doesn’t want Muslims to be able to have 1st amendment rights, he doesn’t want Mosques to be able to be build, he endorsed a pro war, pro torture, pro secret arrest, they just don’t understand.
    
    They understand that Rand is becoming a neocon, they understand that a person who doesn’t have or stand by his principles can’t be a part of the liberty movement, else everyone would have to start endorsing endless wars, torture, carbon taxes, all the stuff that they are opposed against.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Becky-Barlow/100000197901815 Becky Barlow

And he supported sanctions (economic war) against Iran. You forgot to mention that too.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Becky-Barlow/100000197901815 Becky Barlow

And he supported sanctions (economic war) against Iran. You forgot to mention that too.
Rand Sellout

The point is he’s now selling out, it doesn’t matter what he supports in terms of legislation, as soon as you come down in favor of ROMNEY (!) you have crossed the line. He’s sold out for a promise of having his pet agenda items “considered” by a Romney presidency. Absolute disgrace to the Libertarian platform.
- JMH
  
  So what you are saying is that instead of having Rand work with Romney to get some important libertarian ideals in the Republican platform, you would rather him pout and do nothing?
  
  You just can’t just declare everyone that you disagree with something on to be evil, because nobody will ever agree 100% on everything. Even the establishment GOP candidates disagree with each other on several issues. Sometimes you have to compromise politically to advance principles, which should never be compromised.
  - Hehy
    
    Who gives a shit about the Republican platform? Party platforms are simply empty promises.
    - Wmajest2630
      
      In case you didn’t get the memo, this campaign has been about transforming the Republican party for more than 5 years now.
- Wmajest2630
  
  “it doesn’t matter what he supports in terms of legislation”
  
  Yikes.
  
  I really wish that we made more of an effort to keep people like you out of this revolution. You served your part in the voting booth (hopefully), but now that that’s over with just go home and let the grown-ups talk about what needs to be done to get the country moving forward.
robertsgt40

He sold out. Rand knows full well the RNC will do anything to get rid of his father. To support Romney is unforgiveable. RP was America’s last chance at saving the country. He also knows the vote has been hacked. Someone made him an offer he couldn’t refuse. There is no room for compromise with a Romney.
- Wmajest2630
  
  Hello?
  
  Ron Paul is 76 years old. He’s not running for Congress again. he’s not running for president again. What do you mean they are trying to get ride of him?
  
  That’s like someone’s boss firing them after they handed in their resignation.
  
  Rand Paul is the most freedom oriented memeber of Congress.
  
  Some of you boyish revolutionaries really need to grow up.
  - robertsgt40
    
    You don’t get it. Have you followed any of the vote fraud lately? RP is a threat to the dark side. Rand just crossed over
    - Wmajest2630
      
      Mitt Romney endorsement = crossed over to the dark side
      
      Although I Appreciate most Star Wars references, the equation above does not make one iota of sense.
      
      Think of it this way. Remember the “three of a kind” ad that the RP Campaign released? What was the implication? That Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich were all the same. So, in that case, Ron Paul endorsing Gingrich for Speaker of the house is no different than Rand endorsing Romney, right? They’re two of a kind. Therefore, I guess Ron Paul “crossed-over” to the dark side years and years ago, and we have all been dooped.
      
      Obviously, that’s nonsense.
      
      I’m just happy Rand Paul is willing to do what he has to do regardless of how unpopular it might be–just like his father.
    - robertsgt40
      
      Your failure to grasp the bigger picture is glaring. The dark side reference was biblical not Hollywood.
Storris

A Constitutional reformer looks a lot like a Libertarian when the rest of the picture is taken up by Romnom and Obamination. – Attacking the use of Drones, the Drug War and the banning of raw milk sales is not libertarian, it is Republican and Constitutional.

We need to get some points straight on this issue. Ron Paul and Rand Paul are not offering any libertarian policies. They are offering Republican, and constitutional reforms to the current social-democratic program that is being offered by Romnek, Obamatron and everyone else in the US.

What’s the difference between Constitutionalism and Libertarianism? The Constitution is the difference. The Constitution is a liberal* government manifesto.
*classically liberal

What does a Libertarian document document look like?

http://www.icts.uiowa.edu/sites/default/files/contract.jpg

(No copyright infringement intended, used under ‘fair use’ for education and information purposes only.)

Those libertarians supporting Ron Paul, including me, are doing so as part of the movement towards the ultimate goal of self-government by contracts freely entered into by each party in their own interests.

Those who are not libertarians – Republicans, Democrats and Independents – are supporting Ron Paul because they support the foundations upon which the United States of America were built, The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights.

These documents ‘legitimise’ what libertarians do not need to have legitimised. The differing philosophies of the State of Nature (see Locke, Hobbes, Rousseau and Ayn Rand) need to be understood (are rights and morality granted only by government/society, or are they inherent in man in nature?)

To claim that either a Senator or Congressman could be running for election on Libertarian principles is almost laughable. It kind of runs against the grain and would leave them open to chants of “Hypocrisy” from people like me. They are running on and serving on Republican and constitutional platforms. I’m glad these guys are in the government (Ron more than Rand, I just don’t think he really believes his father is right. I guess we’ll see some time soon) no matter what their policy and legislative decisions are. They are making Americans ask the kinds of questions that these guys – http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Scene_at_the_Signing_of_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States.png – asked about King George III, questions that would not otherwise be asked.

(No copyright infringement intended, used under ‘fair use’ for education and information purposes only.)

For the supporters of Americas founding principles, Ron Paul and The Constitution are the goal. (The Jury is still out on Rand)

For libertarians, this is just the beginning of a long road.

Peace, Liberty and Prosperity. Nothing less will do.

X_giles_x

where is it?

http://twitter.com/RandPaulReview Rand Paul Review

Click the arrow (>) above the audio mp3 image.

Camery

Thank you Dr Paul and I apologize for my earlier comment. Like all of us, I also need to sleep on anything in which there is doubt. Our minds become much clearer after having slept on it before rendering a judgment of any kind. This was a very good interview. I appreciate your candor.

Mike

Good comment, Camery
To Rand Paul:
The average joe in this liberty movement right now is like an animal in a cage. Hope you realize this! Many animals in many cages

http://twitter.com/JaackSchitt JackSchitt

sorry rand, you dumped your father, for romney and to me that is wrong.

Scawarren

You really think he dumped his dad ? These issues are his dad’s issues .
- Michael Rosato
  
  Against Drones is not against our Foreign Policy, For Raw Milk is not anti Big Pharma and being For Legalizing Industrial Hemp does nothing to change our repressive and ongoing Jim Crow Laws called the War on Drugs. These are no small distinctions. I don’t know if Rand has something up his sleeve but, frankly, I’m tired of trying to read something into the actions taken by him and the campaign over the last month. I’ll take Rand at face value. Epic fail….and yes I wish and hope I am wrong.
Blakmira

Really? And you arrived at the conclusion by…telepathic methods? You wouldn’t know strategy if it came up and hit you with a hammer. Nobody “dumped” anybody. Get over yourself and your judgmental attitude.

http://twitter.com/BTD_Guru M Staff

president Harding had not a hope in hell going into the convention and he won after 9 ballots

http://www.facebook.com/biker4ronpaul Thomas Attwood

i have to say im not as angry as i was and i hope he stays true to the core issues

Darrell

Very well spoken. The Paul’s have not and will not abandon us. WE need to unite and continue our momentum until we get the change we are fighting for. As Rand said, react responsibly. We all are very passionate about liberty. With that said… I’m still voting for Ron Paul! Duh.

sameolbs

I won’t vote Romney. Rand Paul is doing what he needs to do.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Becky-Barlow/100000197901815 Becky Barlow

….to advance his political career.

I finished your sentence for you.
- killerhz
  
  …to advance the liberty agenda.
- Wmajest2630
  
  I can not believe the utter disrepect toward Rand Paul. He’s concerned about advancing his political career? Really?
  
  Grow up.

Michael_ketcher

Rand is getting desperate — going into damage control mode…

http://twitter.com/daleholmgren Dale Holmgren

My view is we’ve all referenced Hayek from time to time, even though Hayek supported a modified welfare state and was not nearly the purist that Mises, Rothbard, and Rockwell are. Even Rothbard made alliances with the left in his past. I’m not going to go crazy on Rand. We all know the government, as now formulated, is impossible to change in any meaningful way. As Lew says, change will have to come from the outside, by changing the minds of the voters so that a Romney would never get nominated. We’re not there yet, folks.

One

Good interview- but why did you let the Hannity question slide without being answered?

LibertyForever

Do you really think Romney will eliminate the TSA? How about a aggressive TSA search of Rand and Romney? Maybe, this will change Romney’s stance on the TSA. Romney supports funding the current foreign policy which is the single reason why our debt has increased by 4 trillion dollars. And, because of that our wars, the military industrial complex, and our debt will still increase under Romney.

Only three things that Romney and Rand have in common which is ending the Afganistan war, audit the fed( but will it be a full audit and transparent to the public)and he will veto Obamacare. Romney supports the NDAA and the Patriot Act. The budget should be balanced within three years and not ten years. You can’t compromise with the Bilderberger flip flopper. Romney is the chosen who has cheated with the Diebold software to achieve his current status. I haven’t seen any Romney signs anywhere. Romney is the lessor of the two evils.

As for the doner list, I have already received Romney advertisements and I received Santorum information in the past. Our donor list was released by Jesse Benton long ago.

Ray Whitzman

I am a Canadian . I am disgusted that Ron Paul’s son would endorse a man
that has been bought and paid for by the Wall Street bankers . The corruption in Uniterf States
will not change . If Romney wins the American people will have guaranteed the collaspe of
United States .

Dan

I’m so sick of this attitude like we who are upset just don’t get it. No, we understand why you did it, we just think it was a horrible decision. Granted, some people were surprised by this endorsement when they shold’vd seen it coming, but that doesn’t change the fact that the decision was wrong, in our opinion. We believe Ron Paul is the one making the correct choice by not endorsing a man who is the antithesis of what we stand for. Rand apparently believes that there are a lot of good things about Romney. That’s fine for him but that makes me believe he is either very naive or just blowing smoke like a typical politician. Don’t give me some bull crap about Romney being with us on the Fed either. We’ve been hearing what he has to say about the fed for a while and he’s not with us. Please don’t piss on me and tell me it’s raining. I don’t hate Rand or wish evil on him, but he is not worth my time, money, or energy. Between his vote for sanctions on Iran and his endorsement of Mitt Romney he has disqualified himself as someone I’d be willing to support. Why should I support Rand when he does things I find despicable when I can support mises.org, LRC, Tom Woods’s Liberty Classroom, etc? Man, I can’t believe he thinks it’s no big deal to support a man like Romney. That just blows my mind.

Brian

Rand doesn’t think that Romney is a great candidate. Rand just thinks that he would be better than Obama. To him, the endorsement doesn’t change anything. If
- Dan
  
  I didn’t say Rand thought Romney was a great candidate, but he did say there are a lot of things he likes about Romney. I believe Lew Rockwell describes Romney more accurately when he said, “When the Mitt hits the fan, Paul libertarians–especially the young and idealistic–will NOT back Romney. He is, after all, a champion of everything repellent the US State does overseas and at home. He is a despicable statist, a junior oligarch, and a proponent of perpetual war, bank bailouts, torture, murder, camps, indefinite detention, kill lists, drones, the police state, redistribution, and the empire. I could go on.”
  - CSN
    
    Yeah, a lot of things to like about Romney, like his hair and his smile. The rest is history, the history of a neocon.
- Blakmira
  
  Now hang on, BRIAN, where in heck did you come up with that? Rand doesn’t think anybody but his Dad is better than Obama. Making nice with Romney and the GOP was merely a political move. He fully realizes Obama and Romney are just different sides of the same coin.
  
  Of course he’s not at “liberty” to divulge the details of this strategy and you shouldn’t have been expecting that out of this interview — that’s just not smart and it’s just not how it’s done.
  
  But once you see the results, you will be embarassed you ever doubted either Rand OR Ron Paul.
  - CSN
    
    Throw out the GOP and vote Constitution Party. We need to throw out the Old Guard. These guys never play decent and never will. Constitution Party USA, Ron Paul for President 2012.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Becky-Barlow/100000197901815 Becky Barlow
  
  Romney Obama
  
  SAME!!!!!!!
- CSN
  
  Then don’t endorse anyone yet. Wait to see what happens in Tampa before throwing your hat in for a neocon. That is my answer.
Mike

Agreed, Rand wouldn’t be the one to support at this time, even though I did in 2010.
We need to focus on candidates such as Karen Kwiatkowski of Virginia, R.J. Harris of Oklahoma
Rnw2032

Dan, I too have been taken aback by Rand’s endorsement. I also agreed with most of this statement. This is my issue : “Man, I can’t believe he thinks it’s no big deal to support a man like Romney.”
In my opinion Rand’s endorsement of Romney will have 0 effect on the nomination or the election. The people who would normally listen to Paul (his base) WILL NOT be swayed in mass to vote for Romney. Even if Ron Paul himself endorsed Romney, I am sure most of us Liberty proponents would begin weighing other options such as: not voting, voting for a different candidate, writing in Paul against his will. Therefore the endorsement would be nothing more than reassurance and a pat on the back to the establishment. Rand Paul’s endorsement will not sway neocon voters to vote for Romney because they are already going to do that.

I think though that I am probably not looking at it in the same light as yourself, where I am looking at it like this: “how will it affect this particular campaign.” you are perhaps looking at it like this “how will this endorsement affect my opinion of rand paul”

Either way though if the endorsement is nothing but words, and it has no power behind it (and Rand knew it wouldn’t(except perhaps the power of energizing his “former” base to intensify and double down on their efforts)) then it actually seems like an inconsequential way of gaining staying power within the party. That is politics and it is compromise, yet it is not a compromise on principle and it is hardly dirty politics.

I am not urging you to support Rand, I just thought I’d share my thoughts on whether or not his endorsement really is a big deal.
- Dan
  
  Thanks for the cordial response. It is tiresome to have people lash out because you don’t like what Rand has done. It’s even more tiresome when you still think Rand is a good guy and does right the vast majority of the time but you just can’t see the value in supporting his political ambitions over the other things I mentioned.
  
  Also, you are correct in thinking we are looking at this in different lights. I agree that his endorsement doesn’t change much as far as the election goes. I just think it is a big deal for me because he just endorsed a man that represents everything I find vile in this world. My opinion of him was lowered when he voted for the sanctions on Iran and it was lowered even more after this endorsement. If Romney is elected he will end up being a mass murderer the same as Bush and Obama before him. I see no good reason to endorse or campaign for a man like this. In fact, I see every reason for people to vigorously oppose both Obama and Romney. That doesn’t mean I hate Rand or think all the good he has done or will do is washed away, but it does mean that I don’t find him worthy of my time, money, and energy. Not when I believe there are people out there that are better at converting and educating people about what I believe in. Still, you won’t see me telling people not to go a different route if that is their wont. To each their own. I just want to express to Rand the cost of these decisions he has made for people who believe as I do.
  - Wmajest2630
    
    Did you listen to yourself?
    
    It’s not a big deal, but it’s a big deal to you. Why?
    
    Why are people allowing something that doesn’t matter at all divide the movement?
    
    This endorsement can do NO harm at all accept that which we allow through our anger and confused bitterness.
    - Dan
      
      Did you read what I wrote? I said it won’t have much of an impact as far as the general election is concerned, but it is a big deal to me for the reasons I stated above. I never said it’s not a big deal but it is a big deal.
      
      I’m not letting this divide the movement at all, are you? The movement doesn’t live or die with Rand Paul’s political career. If you believe that the best way to achieve liberty is through politics and Rand Paul’s political future then feel free to support him as vigorously as you want. I won’t have anything bad to say about you for doing that. I just don’t believe that we can change DC from the inside, and I don’t believe that spending time on Rand Paul’s political campaigns is the most effective way to create the change I would like to see. I’m sorry if my different opinion hurts your feelings or makes you feel the need to lash out at me, but I have to do what I think is best.
      
      Lastly, I’m not lettings my feelings towards Rand Paul hurt the movement at all, in my opinion. I don’t feel any bitterness either. To me, it just seems like you are bitter and anger with my view that my time, money, and energy will move more people to libertarianism and Austrian economics if I put into other people, organizations, and projects other than Rand Paul’s political future. You can disagree all you want and that’s perfectly fine by me. I hope we can both be successful at creating more liberty even though we don’t have the same ideas on the best way to achieve it. The great thing about freedom is we are free to disagree and do what we believe is the right thing to do even if we go about it in different ways.
    - libert
      
      Well said dan, i agree, everething rands done to move the liberty movement can never be thanked enough, but supporting sanctions on iran, however misguided some of you think of us, is essentially declaring war, without declaring war
      
      Understand, that ALOT of liberty minded folk are sickened by any war that is’nt a self defence of your country or a super power who have their minds set on ocupying, dictating and murdering other countries……supporting ANY bill like that is political liberty death…….you cant justify it, by saying we get something good out of it in a different area…….
      
      No suger coating, the comprimise of an iran sanction, is a possible war(occupation), and to take it to the basics of liberty, possible human lives

Cornelius

The choice is who will you form a coalition with..neocons or progressives. Rand Paul thinks that necons make better political partners. http://progressivesforronpaul.blogspot.com/

Condogmux

Great choice, huh? As if making a distinction between it being a right boot on your neck, verses a left boot on your neck is any sort of consolation.
Any way you cut it, it’s still a boot on your neck.

lilmuse

Politicians can and do get a list of registered voters. That mail could be coming from elsewhere so I’m fine with that. Rand’s characterization of us as a group I’m not fine with. A few individuals (if someone is making threats as he said) does not justify his remarks of all online supporters … hey thanks Rand, you’re welcome for everything, twist harder, a little to the left!

Yes, he seems ready to go play with the globalists now and we’re all idiots who don’t understand politics. OK, message received loud and clear. I also got the message that he and his Dad are two different people. We shouldn’t expect the same level of integrity. Rand has chosen to work from the inside with the globalist, something his father would never do. We got behind the Ron Paul campaign for a reason. He stands for what we believe in. Ron walks the walk.

I wish Rand success and do hope he is able to find the shreds of our rights and Constitution in the Bilderberg puppet litterbox. I support Ron Paul. I do not support ANY globalist agenda nor politician.

Davidnata83

Damn right it’s insulting! and it pisses me off that people are saying it of ron, in particular! spend 30 years struggling and being called crazy without any expectation for future vindication and some childish, johnny come latelys call you a sell out because your son decides (in a question regarding his own life direction) to take a slightly different course of action than his father. might i add that rands record, by any standard, is overwhelmingly pro liberty, and that it should be apparent to anyone that his objectives have the movements best interests at heart.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=833337364 Louis Anderson

The problem is that no republican politician abides by the platform. The platforms are all great-sounding but there is no teeth in them. It is a waste of time to put time and money into putting a platform together that no one will stay true to. Heck, they pledge to support and defend the Constitution but don’t do that either – so what is a platform?!? in comparison.

Jo Bailey

Exactly. Anything that Romney says is reversable anyway. He has no firm principles of his own and panders to whatever crowd he happens to be in front of. A promise from a known liar like Romney is worthless.
Derek F

Louis,

I couldn’t have said it better. Romney, in the end, is a neocon, establishment Repub who will ultimately do the bidding of the Repub Party. Sure he may support auditing the FED (not a full audit mind you), but doesn’t support ending the FED, which is the ultimate goal of Ron Paul and his followers. He’ll probably try to repeal Obamacare. But more importantly, if he’s successful in repealing Obamacare will he support the re-institution of free market principles in the medical industry as Ron Paul would? I think not.

In the end, platforms are just words written on a piece of paper that sound good, but have no real “bite.” if the Repub Party is bent on doing something (e.g. continuing the warfare state) they will do it, and so will Romney, despite what the Platform says. What matters to them, and Dems too, is staying power. Nothing more and nothing less.

On another note, I have these questions for Rand Paul. What are you going to do when you undo your support for nominee Romney by opposing him on liberty issues that you disagree on? What will you do when the Repub establishment comes after you for said disagreement with Romney? Or are you prepared to compromise some, most or all of your freedom principles to advance in the Repub Party?

Jo Bailey

I am a registered Republican living in a swing state and a devoted Ron Paul supporter.. I was going to do a write-in for Ron Paul. As a result of this endorsement, I have decided to vote for Obama instead. With Obama, we are guaranteed only 4 more years before we get another shot at a liberty minded President. If Romney wins, it will be at least 8 years before we get anopther try because he will be the automatic nominee in 2016. Anybody but Romney is our best long term strategy.

goodfite

More and more I’m thinking that this might be the best strategy. Four more years of Obama, then another shot in 2016. However,there is no way I could bring myself to actually vote for Obama. I just can’t do it.
- Jo Bailey
  
  Right, I understand. I really want to do a write in for Ron Paul, but I live in a swing state and I think I meed to double my impact by going for (ughhh) Obama.
  - Dan
    
    I guarantee that the election won’t be decided by one vote. I agree that it would be better to have 4 years of Obama than a potential 8 years of Romney, but why add to either of these dbags vote totals when one vote never makes a difference.
  - Blakmira
    
    Double your stupidity, you mean?
goodfite

More and more I’m thinking that this might be the best strategy. Four more years of Obama, then another shot in 2016. However,there is no way I could bring myself to actually vote for Obama. I just can’t do it.
fantasticrice

You might feel better supporting Gary Johnson then. It effectively helps Obama get re-elected but you get to make your preference for liberty heard in a tangible and visible way.
- Blakmira
  
  Here we go with another troll. Let’s see we’ve Libertarian trolls, Obama trolls, Alex Jones trolls, Kokesh trolls, GOP trolls — did I leave anybody out that wants to sabotage the DANGEROUS Ron Paul? Threatened much, are we?
  - fantasticrice
    
    Fitting into the vitriolic stereotypes much? I think you are going to have to explain how this trolling. In point of fact I am a huge fan of Dr. Paul since 2007, not that I am interested in some kind of ridiculous pissing contest. I take it that you for some reason disagree that Gary Johnson is somehow a worse choice than Obama, which is who the parent post said he would rather switch to than Romney.
    
    You should know, writing people in LITERALLY means your vote is ignored and shows up only as statistical noise in many locations. Whether you like it or not, some people are going to choose to make their protest vote count if there is no legitimate way to vote for Ron Paul.
Blakmira

Oh, what a blatant liar you are. Any one with half a brain who was going to vote for Ron Paul would NEVER switch over to Obama. Not sure which enemy side you’re on, but you ain’t and never were a Ron Paul supporter. FAIL

Onlylu23

Well, I feel a little better after listening to Rand Paul’s side of the story. I will give him the benefit of the doubt but I still will not vote for Romney. Also, if Delegates are not bound and are able to vote their conscience, as we have been told, then who’s to say Ron Paul wouldn’t get the nomination? Couldn’t Rand have endorsed Romney after Tampa?

MrMano

My thoughts exactly. Why do it now….before the convention?
- Blakmira
  
  Listen to the speech Ron Paul gave in Texas the same time Rand was making his announcement. Ya think he might be trying to tell us something? There might be some things you’ll have to figure out for yourself, though!
  - Dontrequire
    
    I am one of two known delegates that have been mistakenly counted as Romeny supports when in fact we plan on voting for Ron Paul and I know that I am not alone. We are miscounted because we don’t stamp Ron Paul on our for heads and lead the chants at the convention. That doesn’t mean we aren’t in support.
    
    No one ever asked either of us who we support we where just assumed. Not even the Ron Paul campaign has contacted us.
    
    Don’t tell me what the delegate count is they have no clue.
WestCoastPatriot

I agree. I, for one believe that 42 USC 1971, is a viable route to go. I studied law in college, and I can tell you that my interpretation is this, although I am not an attorney: The GOP violated this federal law in more than one case through the primary and caucus elections. Since they violated this law, we can have a lawsuit brought against them along with the RNC, as they were acting on the RNC’s behalf. When in court it can be brought up that this federal law seems to imply that state law does not have the power of law, to bind delegates at any primary level. If this is the case, a judge may have to rule that no state has the power to bind delegates at a national level as federal law trumps state law. If this can be done, and done before the convention, and we have 1144 + supporters as delegates in Tampa, Ron Paul could win the nomination. On the flip side of this is something that everyone should consider, this will change the way elections are done in the future. Will it be the best in the long run? It is hard to say, but I am for it if it means turning this country around toward the pursuit of happiness again.
- jesse parent
  
  However I do not agree that Federal Government trumping State or Local Government is a good idea. It seems contrary to the Liberty Movement.

JA_Topfke

The Liberty Movement will continue–with Mitt Romney as its leader! Thank you, Rand, for helping to move the cause of liberty forward.

The difference between Ron and Rand is that Rand wants to be another horse in the stable; Ron wants to clean out the horsesh!t.

Onlylu23

Don’t you think that’s a HUGE difference? The “Movement” can never conitnue with Romney because he is a RINO. And I think Rand has set it back a decade or two.

Ralphizm

Rand can do whatever he wants. He can compromise his principles all he wants, that doesn’t mean I have to. I will NEVER back Romney ever.

So let me get this right,

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=700644313 Thom Pham

All those promises from Romney that Rand mentions, Obama has already made in 2008 and Romney has expressed opposite stance numerous times.
How can we trust ?

Jjohnsonappraisal

If it does not mean anything? Why say you endorse a criminal Rand? The nominating process is OVER? Sorry…It’s not over until the convention AND Romney needs to be PERSONALLY held accountable for the election fraud and BLOCKED from the ballot. You endorse what has been done by the Romney campaign staff? Really? You’ve seen first hand what has been done, which is why it absolutely floors people you would do such a thing. This isn’t a sugar/vinegar situation and regular compromise. This is a serious situation where the candidate you’ve chosen to endorse needs to be put in front of a judge Rand. We are dealing with criminals. Ultimately if the nominee is Hitler would you support him too? Sorry…principles MEAN something. No one that is part of the Liberty movement will support Romney on PRINCIPLE because Romney has NONE. This is SO disappointing. You endorse Romney you endorse fraud, civil rights violations, human rights violations, theft, legislation for profit and letting criminals walk. Ranting and raving? Calling a crook a crook and DEMANDING they be held accountable is not ranting my friend, get it straight. Stop trivializing the seriousness of the criminals in office, and NO the people you work for are not going to “be friendly” and make nice. We are going to work to REMOVE him from harming society. WAKE UP.

Brian

The Republican party helps people that support nominees. Rand told the Republican party that he would endorse the nominee. So, he endorsed the nominee. We talked with the Soviets. Why did we do that? Is it almost always better to communicate with people. Sometimes you learn something that is helpful that you wouldn’t have known otherwise. There are many potential partial allies out there in the Republican party. I have met several Republicans that I thought were basically the enemy, but I was wrong. Some of them are actually pretty good allies on selected topics. We can’t win this by ourselves. We need more help. By making selective alliances on some topics, like Ron has done with the Democrats and Rand has also done with the Democrats, we can win some of these critical votes. Rand isn’t endorsing everything Romney does or has done or will do. Rand is not a all or none thinking like you. Look at his bills, look at his voting record. Rand has done something that Ron has never done. He has gotten the Republican party to back him. Even McConnell helped Rand get elected as Senator against the Democrat in Kentucky. Rand is an Awesome politician. He is doing real law changing. Relax and get to work for Ron and do something productive.
- Blakmira
  
  Great thoughts, Brian. You’re thinking smart. Some of these people are reacting like angry spoiled children having tantrums because they’re frustrated they can’t reach that piece of candy NOW. Patience is a virtue and so is trust.
- Blakmira
  
  Great thoughts, Brian. You’re thinking smart. Some of these people are reacting like angry spoiled children having tantrums because they’re frustrated they can’t reach that piece of candy NOW. Patience is a virtue and so is trust.

Wmbkjr

Ron Paul supporters , as I am , have already stated that ” We will Vote for Ron Paul for President , or No One ” . That pretty well says it all . I am sick and tired of voting for the lesser of 2 Evils and within the last 10 years , we haven’t had a lesser of 2 Evils to vote for , we’ve had 2 Evils .

NoRomney

Rand needs to understand Romney and what he has said. Romney has said he has no problem with Ben Bernanke and the FED, but Rand says he is willing to listen. Rand you got smoke blown up your butt for an endorsement. Just like Romney has said himself he supports NDAA. I know Rand thinks Romney is the nominee, and he thinks he is doing the right thing. My question now is does Rand actually believe Romney? Is he that naive?

Jjohnsonappraisal

No, Romney is not just an average politician or someone people “disagree” with on issues. Just as Obama needs to be removed and impeached for treason, put on trial for his crimes, Romney needs now to be removed from office and barred from ever holding public position again. So, no…when someone is a criminal or engages in behavior like Romney…you hold them accountable. Period.

Jjohnsonappraisal

No, Romney is not just an average politician or someone people “disagree” with on issues. Just as Obama needs to be removed and impeached for treason, put on trial for his crimes, Romney needs now to be removed from office and barred from ever holding public position again. So, no…when someone is a criminal or engages in behavior like Romney…you hold them accountable. Period.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mitchell-Gray/1093666488 Mitchell Gray

He can try to explain his actions but it doesn’t change the fact that by endorsing Romney he endorses Romney’s positions. He has compromised in order to get ahead. The movement doesn’t need compromise to win. We do not need to work with the Establishment to win. We will win because of the power of our ideas, because we are right and because we stand uncompromisingly by our principles. Rand is too willing to side with the devil. You compromise a little here and a little there and before you know it you’re part of the insiders club selling out your supporters wholesale. I still count Rand a an ally to the movement but I will not actively support him — ever. He has proven by his actions his willingness to compromise his principles and therefore he is just one step away from abandoning everything we stand for.

Brian

You don’t understand the endorsement process at all. Endorsing a candidate DOES NOT mean that you support all of their positions. You are simply wrong about that. I count Rand as a GREAT ally and I will support this guy greatly in the future.

Slappy McGee

One word Rand:

Hannity

How could you?

Slappy McGee

One word Rand:

Hannity

How could you?

Lynn

Whether Rand was going to endorse Romney isn’t the thing that is wrong here. It is the timing. Right before Ron Paul talks at his own state convention! All the State conventions have yet to occur and RP is still picking up 1/3 to 2/3 of the delegates. People are still raising money in money bombs on their own to pay for ads and handouts without the RP campaign asking. 2 months before the convention after all of this time of Ron Paul stating he was taking it to the convention. You don’t get all the way to the door and decide to change your mind. (Bush Sr. did this with Iraq in Gulf War – Gen. Powell and Shwartzcof were not happy – as they stated you don’t go that far just to shake hands) And of all places to announce an endorsement on the Hannity Show. Some who has put down Ron Paul nonstop from the start.
The Timing was totally wrong. If wanted to endorse to flip flop as it is known in Politics – there was a better time and place. After All State Conventions have been held. On someone’s show that actually was calling it fair in Politics and giving Ron Paul his due – Rachel Maddox show. This shows signs of cuddling up to the Politics that you and your Dad have fought against.
I am pulling for Ron Paul all the way to and through the convention. Ron Paul is a true and rare orator. He has a way of swaying people after they actually get to hear HIM speak. Which he will get to do at the Convention. His name will be on the Ballot – so a speaking slot is owed. At the National Convention it becomes an individual choice. Santorum and Gingrinch say they are keeping their delegates. But after the delegates get to hear Ron Paul speak it is anyone’s game. Game ON!!
As for Rand – just for the timing factory and ole switch a roo. You don’t have my vote in 2016.
States who have yet to have state conventions – get your Ron Paul supporters there. Go Ron Paul.

Dan

I’m not sure why that is a response to what I said. I just pointed out that it is not crazy to not consider Rand a libertarian when he doesn’t consider himself a libertarian. I haven’t said a thing about delegates. I realized Ron Paul wasn’t going to win a long time ago. But I wasn’t worried about election results to begin with so I haven’t been losing any sleep. To me, this revolution is about educating people on the merits of Austrian economics and libertarianism. Ron Paul’s campaign was just a very good way to deliver the message but I was never deluded enough to think that we were going to change DC. I don’t want to change it, I want to abolish it. You’re barking up the wrong tree with your comment.

As for Rand, I understand that he fights for freedom most of the time, but that doesn’t make him a libertarian. I don’t know why I should doubt him when he doesn’t even think of himself as one. He’s a conservative that leans libertarian a lot of times and that perfectly fine for him. But if he wanted me to divert my time, money, and energy towards helping his political career then he should have never voted for sanctions, an act of war, on Iran or endorsed a man I consider to be the antithesis of liberty. Rand might think Romney isn’t that bad but the guy’s ideas make me want to vomit. Hell, even if Romney said some things I agreed with I wouldn’t trust him because he constantly has proven himself to be a liar. So considering Rand has done things that I find despicable I no longer feel it is worth it to support his political career. I’ll support him on matters where he defends libertarian principles but I won’t support his campaigns. I feel my money, time, and energy will be better spent promoting LRC, The Mises Institue, and Tom Woods’s Liberty Classroom. They have never done anything that I find despicable and I feel they are better at spreading the message than Rand. Sorry if that hurts Rand Paul’s or his supporter’s feelings but I have more important things to worry about.

Dan

I posted this in the wrong spot.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TYO7XLPRNA5JOAB575D3UXJLU Anthony

I understand the desire of some libertarians to wash their hands of politics. Immersing yourself in it is like watching the sausage being made, but I would point out that it is pretty unlikely that the State will stop expanding its reach and cease its nefarious activities, if liberty/peace minded people basically drop out of politics altogether to read Rothbard (though that is a most worthwhile activity). Rather I think the worst aspects of statism would greatly increase. Voluntarism (I’m speaking in terms of the politically apathetic branch of the movement) has been around for some time and I don’t see that it has had much influence or that it has retarded the State in anyway. It is too idealistic and also too cynical and utopian to be more than a fringe movement.
- Dan
  
  Ok, you keep trying to change DC and I’ll keep trying educate people through groups like LRC, Liberty Classroom, The Mises Academy, and The Mises Institue. Good luck convincing DC that libertarianism is the answer.
  
  Oh, and that fringe movement you speak of has millions of people following it and growing every day. I guess you disagree with Ron Paul when he says this is an intellectual revolution.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CN6K2H5EGMXMCRQPHJGEJOCR3M oaebcr

Didn’t hear any of my questions. Very similar answers to Schiff show.

Martino O’Connor

Can anybody help me with this: How is it that just 2 years ago Rand took Kentucky by force with the Tea Party and his father’s reputation, but Ron got only 30% of the vote for the nomination in Kentucky? Can anybody explain this to me?

Rand can spin this as he wants: I’m done with him.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TYO7XLPRNA5JOAB575D3UXJLU Anthony

I don’t get your reasoning here. Are you trying to blame the fact the campaign didn’t win KY on Rand? That sounds pretty silly if you ask me.

James Rushing

Why didn’t you ask Rank why he endorsed Romney two and a half months before Tampa? Rand could have campaigned with the Liberty Movement up to the final hour and then, should Romney be nominated, he could endorse him then. We had three months left to campaign and anything could happen to erase Romney and and color Paul in. For instance, Romney is trailing Obama in the latest Rasmussen Poll for “Who would you vote for President?” and Ron was polled beating Obama in a May poll. We could politely point out to the Convention in Tampa that they are about to nominate a loser and that according to the polls, assuming the Liberty Movement could educate the masses at the present rate and keep him high in the polling, Ron Paul could win in a match-up with Obama.

Blakmira

Because, James, this is something you’re supposed to figure out for yourself. Did you really expect Rand to explain the political strategy behind this?

I would suggest listening to Ron Paul’s speech in Texas, which took place the same time as Rand’s announcement. He makes it PERFECTLY clear he has no intention of giving up. And Tom Woods has just announced he was told by Ron Paul that there is ZERO chance of him EVER supporting or endorsing Romney. OKay, you figure out the rest.

W0X0F

Judas making excuses for his twenty pieces of silver.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TYO7XLPRNA5JOAB575D3UXJLU Anthony

No, Rand is simply supporting the nominee of his party as he said he would for some time. His policy positions have not changed one iota.
- Freedom Lover
  
  No, he’s Judas making excuses for his twenty pieces of silver, as WOXOF says. And that may be a promise of a VP nod. Interesting that his endorsement came a few days after the Bilderberg conference ended.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TYO7XLPRNA5JOAB575D3UXJLU Anthony
    
    I don’t see any evidence for anything you are alleging.
    - Blakmira
      
      Don’t worry about him, Anthony. He’s just paid opposition by one of Ron Paul’s many jealous enemies out to sabotage. But we are much stronger than their nastiness.
    - Wake Up Sheep
      
      Well then you are blind.
  - Blakmira
    
    Oh here comes the Alex Jones everybody-is-illuminati contingent. Yes, we saw how quickly Alex threw his friend Ron Paul under the bus. Egomaniac jealous of the Paul’s loving support and loyalty, just showing his true colors. Crawl back under your hole.
- Blakmira
  
  You are right, Anthony. Rand has not “sold out” to the enemy. This is pure strategy with his father in mind. Most of these people bashing Ron and Rand were never supporters to begin with.
- Brandon
  
  When a politician endorses another politician, that means you stand behind them and everything they stand for 100%. It’s about having principles and values, of which Romney has none. So an endorsement for Romney tells me that Rand has lost what principles and values he once had. And if I were his father, I would be thoroughly embarrassed by this endorsement of everything that’s wrong with this country.

http://www.facebook.com/luc.paul.108 Luc Paul

More double speak from the Judas Rand Paul, a true patriot would have waited till after the convention to announce the endorsement. Any politician who endorses Willard (the Rat) Romney, I will not support. Rand is out of touch with the Revolution movement.

Where is Ron Paul, and why has he not responded to Rand’s endorsement of Willard?

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TYO7XLPRNA5JOAB575D3UXJLU Anthony

I think your being ridiculous and immature in your attitude.
- http://www.facebook.com/luc.paul.108 Luc Paul
  
  “Ridiculous and immature” really! What parts are ridiculous or immature.
  
  Anthony your mother is calling you, time for bed…
  - Blakmira
    
    And yes, you are ridiculous and immature. Rand has done nothing to betray you OR his father, you poor clueless shill.
Blakmira

Were you ever even a Ron Paul supporter? I doubt it. You apparently know NOTHING about Ron Paul or his family. So which of the enemy opposition are you with? Libertarians, Jones, Kokesh, Johnson, Obama? There’s so many now I’ve almost lost track.

Laura

To endorse Romney is inexcusable, no matter how you slice the pie. End of story. I hope that some of our values are reflected in his voting in the Senate, but other than that I feel he betrayed our supporters & his father for not WAITING till the end of the convention to do his dirty deed.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TYO7XLPRNA5JOAB575D3UXJLU Anthony

The uproar over the Romney endorsement has been too much. I doubt few the keyboard critics of Rand would have done things much different from Rand, if they were in his shoes. What matters is policy and advancing the agenda.
Blakmira

Oh cool your panties. Dirty deed? It’s called strategy and not revealing a winning poker hand, you dim bulb.

Do any of you haters ever think before you type or you just jump to conclusions? What a pious, clueless bunch of judgmental pricks you all are. There’s a lot of opposition sabotagers on here, which means that Ron Paul is a huge threat still. GOOD.
- Brandon
  
  Folding isn’t much of a strategy

http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Henning/100002871109830 Dan Henning

Not one damn word about the VOTER FRAUD? How about the ELECTION FRAUD? How about our delegates getting punched kicked knocked down fingers getting broke…..and THIS QUESTION WAS NEVER ASKED IN THIS INTERVIEW?????????????????????? SOFT BALL SUCKS! I only wish I could have been the one asking the questions..every one who posted on here so far and some how this issue is not a big deal..WTF? Rand should have spent at least 30 seconds explaining that away..but his Dad has remained silent on this as well. How sad is this? Lots of question need answering..and interviews like this only put more questions in my head. How could you NOT get into this with Rand???? No one has, and this is THEEE most discusting thing that has happen in 2012, (so far) yet this question goes un answered. Im heading to Tampa to get my answer…hope to see all you in need of answers there as well. Embrace the SUCK you Lying Scum..the R3VOLUTION will be televized Rand..hope this wont upset you too much.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TYO7XLPRNA5JOAB575D3UXJLU Anthony

I thought Rand explained himself pretty well. He should have spoken to the grassroots immediately. I think that would have avoided all the controversy.

http://www.facebook.com/luc.paul.108 Luc Paul

Maybe Rand should have waited for the end of the convention to endorse the scumbag neocon Willard (the Rat) Romney. I think that would have completely avoided all the controversy.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TYO7XLPRNA5JOAB575D3UXJLU Anthony
  
  That probably is true, but that is hindsight. I don’t think Rand (or Ron for that matter) really thought it would cause such an uproar.

Chad

Rand makes perfect sense. Well-stated.

MichaelK

OK, after much thought… THIS IS POLITICS. I am a RON PAUL supporting District Captain, and a Romney supporter is running for a nearby House District. I said “I support you” — More based on my ability to work with this soon-to-be State Congressman, and NOT THEIR PRINCIPLES. We are getting the message out — WE NEED TO GET MORE CANDIDATES in-place that UNDERSTAND the message of LIBERTY, and can ARTICULATE IT. OK, I am probably THE MOST DIE-HARD Ron Paul Fan (next to many of you), and I “SOLD-OUT”, to back someone non-principled (in my view). Why? …To further our Founding Father’s Principles BY INVOLVEMENT in the system. The system, with THE FED, and Bilderberg, and CORPORATIONS directing our BROKEN Federal Government is so distasteful that many stay away from GOVERNMENT LEADERSHIP, from sheer distain.
OK, we should suck-it-up like RAND, and PLAY THE GAME — I am. I AM VERY disgusted with all the evidence of VOTE-FLIPING, and GOP Establishment Thugery, trying to force RON PAUL delegates OUT of success, but short a violent Revolution, our options are limited. I see all over our nation, we are taking over the GOP. I see it every day first-hand. WE ALL must be active, and follow Rand Paul’s Lead, and PLAY NICE, and work on getting our PRINCIPLES instilled into the PARTY. I FOR ONE WILL NEVER SUPPORT ROMNEY IN ANY WAY. ALSO, ANYTHING ELSE we can do to educate people (youtube: Monopoly Men) about the true EVIL at the heart of our system is Critical. NATIONAL DELEGATES I pray you make a strong presence in TAMPA (AND BY SOME MIRACLE WIN) – and as many of us LIBERTY MINDED PATRIOTS go to Tampa to show them WHO IS BOSS. WE ARE AMERICANS — The Elite can no longer destroy our Country for their selfish gain.
Michael K0bzina
CO GOP District Captain 25H
PS — wow did Rand get the “Death Threat” thing WRONG — all I ever saw ANYWHERE on the internet, was that people were asking if the reason Rand Endorsed Romney was some sort of DISTRESS. Now we know Rand is just trying to be an INSIDER — much like me (in an attempt to forward the LIBERTY agenda).
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http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TYO7XLPRNA5JOAB575D3UXJLU Anthony

Well, I didn’t see the death threats either, but he was right about the addresses. Probably this was only maybe 1 in 1000 posters, but still for a movement about peace and liberty that is inexcusable. Look I understand the frustration and the desire to lash out from all the dirty tricks from the political establishment directed at RP and RP supporters during both the 2008 and 2012 campaigns, but people need to just cool down a bit here. We are doing good. The movement is growing. We have quite a number people embedded in the party apparatus and more and more people are running for stuff. We are going to take over the party in the not-to-distant future.

freewillobjector

After listening to the DP Rand Paul interview, I realize Rand is a politician. I will support him on a case by case basis, and seriously doubt supporting him for any higher office. The man got to Washington saying compromise is wrong, but now, he has learned how to compromise with DC. Meaning YOU compromise to THEIR aims… If that is the result, then I will walk away. I can live with myself, I can’t speak for anybody else.

Thedifferencemakers

Rand sounds more and more like Lyndsay Graham every day….

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TYO7XLPRNA5JOAB575D3UXJLU Anthony

People also need to realize–and I am not the only one here pointing this out–working with the Republican party doesn’t mean we stop trying to persuade them of our view of things. If we are in open war with them all the time, how far do you think we will get when try to convince them regarding our views?

Artrock61

None of witch passed.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Roy-J-Lores/684288969 Roy J Lores

Man, politics is such dirty business I would never be able to be a politician, I’d be busting noses of both Neocons and libtards left and right.

PaulIncorruptible

Without the steadfast fight for additional delegates, even your ability to fight for platform is minimized. What the official campaign has done since early to mid May have weakened our ability to go all the way to maximize the delegates. They indeed have sabotaged our full force. They came out sounding defeated when we were doing GREAT. So the official campaign’s stance has taken a significant percentage of potential delegates off table, which translate significantly less influence on the platform. Give up your leverage then you have no leverage.

Patriot1

I don’t believe in judging the methods, only the results. I will give Rand the benefit of the doubt. I believe him and his father seek the same results, (liberty) but they have different methods. When I worked in construction, sometimes I had guys working with me who did things a lot differently than I did, they had different methods. At first, I sometimes got a little pissed off because I thought they were slowing things down, but lo and behold, by the end of the day, they always seemed to get the job done, so then I was cool with it. So far Rand has been doing his job, which is to uphold our liberties. If the end result is the restoration of our republic and our freedom, then he is just like the guys I worked with; different method, but good results. That’s all we can ask for. Let’s give Rand a chance. If he turns into another establishment politician, then by all means we should vote him out of office. In the meantime, we need to continue to do our part and help out all those who stand with the people in any way we can.

87RealT

well said

http://www.facebook.com/cynthia.s.kennedy Cynthia Susan Kennedy

I have listened to most of this interview with Rand. I am REELING from the spin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rand recounts all the time his father has endorsed candidates whom he might not have found not as kosher. Yet, at no time were these PRESIDENTIAL candidates. I wish the interviewer had been more tough with Rand. We’re not talking about candidates in congress. We’re talking the POTUS. I would have at least asked. “You are a parent, a father of several children. When we’re talking the future of our country for your children their children, HOW can you endorse Romney? HOW CAN YOU, when your father is STILL IN THE RACE!!! If you’ve been reading, you know the charges that have been made of voter fraud in the primaries. Why aren’t you persuing that? Instead, you are falling in with the party line. How can you do that?

THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.facebook.com/people/Sara-Helen-Wilson/1438338380 Sara Helen Wilson

I got a letter from Romney’s campaign today. Did you? Here’s what I’m doing with mine. This could get costly… http://www.woosk.com/2008/04/use-postage-paid-envelopes-to-mail-a-brick-to-junk-mailers.html

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AIFMAC2MTB6WTHLILUQ2RIWSME Roman

Rand is wrong, here’s why:
The Republican leadership is going to lie and lie and lie and will not keep their promises to Rand. Mark my words, Romney will not support auditing the Fed, undoing Obamacare, or stopping the wars. They already lied to Rand many times in these two years in the Senate and he still believes that they “promised”. Rand, you work with the biggest criminals, they have no integrity, they’re CRIMINALS!!! How else can I explain it to you, Rand??
Rand’s endorsement of Willard is not worth the dirt on the bottom of my shoes towards the nomination of Willard. However, that endorsement is perfect way to demoralize the liberty movement and that’s EXACTLY what the Republican Establishment wanted to accomplish.
Rand is already acting like a neocon by voting YES on the Iran sanctions.
I think we need a new Ron Paul, because Rand is not going to cut it. Sorry, Rand, you lost my trust!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_466AT7BS54ADDLHKGC6M7VAGSA L

I agree with most of the comments that others have made here. As far as I am concerned, he is still a sell out. He did nothing to correct that p.o.s. hannity, when he said at the beginning of the interview: “now before you say what I think you are going to say, did you check with your congressman father who has officially dropped out of the race?” As far as I know, Dr. Paul, the trustworthy one, has not dropped out of the race! And now in this interview, Rand says that he would encourage his father’s supporters to keep fighting. If his endorsement does not mean anything, why in the hell was he in such a hurry to make it? As far as I am concerned, Rand should have waited until after Tampa AND after his father officially decides and announces that he will not run third-party. I did not realize that EVERY SINGLE senator has to rush out and endorse. And last but not least, for him to do what he did, where he did, on the sean hannity show, to sit there quietly as hannity goes on about how he has no idea why his father is upset with him…he and rand know damned well why Ron Paul feels the way that he does. If rand were a decent son, he would have told hannity exactly why his father does not like him. Rand is a Judas, plain and simple. He has sold out his father and he has sold out the Liberty Movement. He cannot be trusted. But that point should have been obvious months ago when he was buddying up to hannity and letting him bad mouth his father, and when he was voting on sanctions against Iran. I feel sorry for his mother and father.

Ogetreal

you lay with dogs, you wake up with fleas. That’s what I think about Rand Paul. live in NY and contributed to his campaign because Ron asked us to.He is not his father. If Dr, Paul does not prevail in Tampa, I will be writing him in. Better Obummer for 4 more years than Obomney for 8

Tohidu

I, personally, would have preferred if Rand had waited until after Tampa to keep his word about endorcing the nominee. But that’s just my knee-jerk, emotional reaction because of my deep and abiding respect for Dr. Paul. On the flip side, I much prefer Rand Paul’s Senate voting record over those of my own Senators, both of which (R and D) have gone along with every liberty killing bill to pass their desks.

Anyone who has ever worked to change policy in any field – political, educational, medical, what have you – knows there is a certain amount of give and take, of compromise. One picks one’s battles, assigns priorities and does one’s best to not alienate potential allies for the important issues.

It’s not about a single election. It’s about regaining our liberty. It’s about keeping our nation from falling into financial ruin. It’s about stopping the senseless bombing of people who never did us any harm and getting our troops out of blood money wars.

As Dr. Paul said, “I’m not just running for election, I’m trying to change the course of history.”

http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLAPAZJSPL56LIZYZPLYMT356I Jonathan

rand paul has the right idea and i support what he is trying to do. you cant take a hard line when you are trying to make change

Liberty76

It’s a tough pill to swallow but I think Rand has some good points. This is a war and we’ve lost a couple battles but we haven’t lost the war. We must, together, continue the fight for liberty.

Tobybertie

I asume you all heard Rand say he has been telling his Father for over a year he was going to endorse
Romney! Therefore I would believe Rand was in constant communication with the Romney campaign and knew they were cheating his Father (Ron Paul). Just saying!!!

Tobybertie

I asume you all heard Rand say he has been telling his Father for over a year he was going to endorse
Romney! Therefore I would believe Rand was in constant communication with the Romney campaign and knew they were cheating his Father (Ron Paul). Just saying!!!

Dolittle Skippy

How the Hell does Robamney have so many delegates when NOBODY shows up for him at conventions and rallies? Oh yeah, it’s called DIEBOLD! Bring back paper ballots or even just showing hands!

Dolittle Skippy

How the Hell does Robamney have so many delegates when NOBODY shows up for him at conventions and rallies? Oh yeah, it’s called DIEBOLD! Bring back paper ballots or even just showing hands!

Dave

Some people are so emotionally unstable it’s really upsetting. Step back, think a little. AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP ATTACKING THE ONLY FREAKING SENATOR FIGHTING FOR YOU.

It’s absolutely ridiculous. *sigh*

Tobybertie

He has been telling his Father for over a year he was going to endorse Romney ,and all the time Romney was stealing his Fathers votes, and he endorsed Romney anyway GO FIGURE!!!!!

Solid S Snake

You’re a bum Rand. You’re dead to me.

Solid S Snake

No it doesn’t change who you are Rand, you’ve always been a bum. When you vote for romney at the convention we’re going to boo you.

Mischey2

“It’s not over until the convention AND Romney needs to be PERSONALLY held accountable for the election fraud and BLOCKED from the ballot”

“ This is a serious situation where the candidate you’ve chosen to endorse needs to be put in front of a judge Rand. We are dealing with criminals.”

“No one that is part of the Liberty movement will support Romney on PRINCIPLE.”

“ You endorse Romney you endorse fraud, civil rights violations, human rights violations, theft, legislation for profit and letting criminals walk.”

“DEMANDING they be held accountable is not ranting my friend”

AMEN!!!!!

By supporting the establishments ‘appointed’ nominee, Rand’s agenda is that of the ‘politician’ and would appear, not to be in the best interest of Dr Pauls Liberty movement.

I agree with numerous comments here:

ref. Dr Paul:
@ 0(o_o)0(-_-)(o…o)

“He’s always made it clear that he was/is a representative of the revolution (and one of it’s most prominent) but that YOU were the revolution pushing him and the issues into the national spotlight. Clearly there is more work to be done. More people to be woken up.”

True!!!!!

Romney is disgusting as is Obama Admin. Can Romney provide a ‘consistent’ platform on reforming the economy, keeping the U.S. in undeclared wars certainly won’t do it.

Santorum has also endorsed Romney and speaking of civil and human rights violations, wonder if Santorum is aware State of Massachusetts allowed developmentally disabled students to be shocked for behavioral modification, happened during Gov Romney’s watch. This info could be a topic within itself, this is not a joke, considered important and let folks know what Romney is capable of doing….

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/judge-rotenberg-center-trial_n_1420633.html

http://www.change.org/petitions/judge-rotenberg-educational-center-please-stop-painful-electric-shocks-on-your-students

Judge Rotenberg Center Trial: Tape Shows Teen Being Shocked 31 Times
(GRAPHIC VIDEO)

Ricky Linder
11:08 AM on 05/07/2012
Mitt is actually quite complicit to the troubled teen industry, or at least it sure seems that way:
Mel Sembler, founder of Straight inc. a massively abusive network of “treatment” programs, serves as a national finance co-chair of Romney’s campaign
Lichfield, founder of World Wide Association of Specialty Programs which owned facilities like High Impact which locked children in dog cages (google image search, “wwasp high impact dog cages”), served as co-chair of Utah state fundraising committee in previous Romney campaign
Paul Babeu, the sheriff that recently stepped down, abused children (or at least allowed it) at his school, DeSisto, in Berkshire Massachusetts
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012-03-08/news/paul-babeu-s-suspicious-past/
Mitt Founded Bain Capital which owns Aspen/Mount Bachelor Academy. MBA forced girls considered “loose” into doing lap dances as “therapy”. The idea stems from Synanon, it supposedly told them that this was the road they were going down so they would avoid it. Their philosophy was that “based on the results, you got exactly what you intended”. Also, this is not the only Aspen facility closed.
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1891082,00.html
http://healthland.time.com/2011/07/12/former-students-of-a-school-for-troubled-teens-sue-for-emotional-sexual-abuse/
http://healthland.time.com/2011/10/07/new-efforts-to-crack-down-on-residential-programs-for-troubled-teens/
http://healthland.time.com/2011/04/05/increasingly-internet-activism-helps-shutter-abusive-troubled-teen-boot-camps/

America Needs Ron Paul!

RON PAUL 2012

Hounddog15ks

The real issue is the campaign was a fraud!!! Just like back in 2007, how do I know because Penny Langford Freeman his Political Director and I started the run. I’m the one that got big name paleoconservatives to push Dr. Paul to run. On April 9th, 2007, the day Alex Jones let me go as his producer was the same day Penny quit working for Dr. Paul, in protest over the fact that Kent Synder wasn’t going to try to win. He was the one that brought Jesse “The Wife Beater” Benton in to isolate Dr. Paul and distance him from all his longtime grassroot supporters. Nobody called out the voter fraud either time, acted like Dr. Paul wasn’t winning the early states. We knew that many of the key staff were RNC wreckers, but since they left it to the delegates, this time we thought, OK it’s in the peoples hands now, see you in Tampa. And guess what? It was working! Even with Jesse saying we can’t win, and telling delegates to take the beatings, but be respectful. We were trying to figure-out a way to remove the cancers (Benton, Tate, Olson, etc.) without harming Dr. Paul or the message. Well the events of last Thursday (Rand) put an end to that! Please watch Adam Kokesh interview Penny last Friday and then connect the dots. Most of you are so addicted to the Kool-Aid, you’re trying to spin this thing to fit your outlook. Benton has made himself rich by being a failure, or was he? Olson (The Belrus Boy/Hessian) is a color revolutution/overthrow specialist who uses Benton as a hand puppet. Speaking spot, platform input, possible VP for Rand? Is that what we fought for? To quote Martin Sheen from Wallstreet, “How to I live with myself? I don’t go to bed with no whore and I don’t wake-up with no whore, that’s how I live with myself!” Sunshine is the best disinfectant and the light will be bright. Dr. Paul our teacher still has time to correct this and admit what happened, why if HE never really wanted to be President did he string y’all along. Not only do the Neo-cons now have the donor lists, they have a pretty good round-up list. Expect to see the Reaper Drones hovering over your homes soon, you domestic terrorist!

Sincerely,

Kevin Smith

Hounddog15ks

The real issue is the campaign was a fraud!!! Just like back in 2007, how do I know because Penny Langford Freeman his Political Director and I started the run. I’m the one that got big name paleoconservatives to push Dr. Paul to run. On April 9th, 2007, the day Alex Jones let me go as his producer was the same day Penny quit working for Dr. Paul, in protest over the fact that Kent Synder wasn’t going to try to win. He was the one that brought Jesse “The Wife Beater” Benton in to isolate Dr. Paul and distance him from all his longtime grassroot supporters. Nobody called out the voter fraud either time, acted like Dr. Paul wasn’t winning the early states. We knew that many of the key staff were RNC wreckers, but since they left it to the delegates, this time we thought, OK it’s in the peoples hands now, see you in Tampa. And guess what? It was working! Even with Jesse saying we can’t win, and telling delegates to take the beatings, but be respectful. We were trying to figure-out a way to remove the cancers (Benton, Tate, Olson, etc.) without harming Dr. Paul or the message. Well the events of last Thursday (Rand) put an end to that! Please watch Adam Kokesh interview Penny last Friday and then connect the dots. Most of you are so addicted to the Kool-Aid, you’re trying to spin this thing to fit your outlook. Benton has made himself rich by being a failure, or was he? Olson (The Belrus Boy/Hessian) is a color revolutution/overthrow specialist who uses Benton as a hand puppet. Speaking spot, platform input, possible VP for Rand? Is that what we fought for? To quote Martin Sheen from Wallstreet, “How to I live with myself? I don’t go to bed with no whore and I don’t wake-up with no whore, that’s how I live with myself!” Sunshine is the best disinfectant and the light will be bright. Dr. Paul our teacher still has time to correct this and admit what happened, why if HE never really wanted to be President did he string y’all along. Not only do the Neo-cons now have the donor lists, they have a pretty good round-up list. Expect to see the Reaper Drones hovering over your homes soon, you domestic terrorist!

Sincerely,

Kevin Smith

Reasoniest

It was nice to hear, but talk about giving him some softballs, Kurt.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mat-Brink/100002169078795 Mat Brink

I feel all the tamping down by Doug Weed, and others within the Ron Paul twisted loyalty camp may be to suppress a real revolution. I mean we are gonna have a Festival with 100,000 plus people in Tampa or Orlando. We will have at least last qoute 15,000 troops for Ron Paul at the Tampa Convention, We have millions of disinfranchised voters who have been defrauded by electronic voting and the Old Fat Cronies in the RNC. We have a civil rights national free probono lawsuit against the RNC. Plurality of 5 states? That will be nothing after the lawyers spit out the RNC in the courts of law breaking thier own rules and assaulting Ron Paul delegates.We have a great awakening in America, Occupy Wal Street, Ron Paul and End The Fed.When nationally on Zionist TV , we see Ron get the boot,Nazi style! The great awakening with the great REVOLUTION will turn into a hailstorm of riots. No wonder NATO chose Tampa for thier demos on how to raid house to house for secring small arms and killing those who resist. They must be really scared of us.So when the masses see the obvious scandle unfold nothing is gonna stop us. I truly believe one way or the other this country’s people are getting what they want.Ron Paul. Now you know why they want our guns. Now you can feel the thunder of the Revolution.
I feel they are not worried about the Liberty Movement in 2016 due to the fact they are trying to have total control of voting by computer using ex Goldman Sacks VP’s setting up a company to dominate the computer vote from home system. All votes going to a central data bank under the tyranical control of one crooked firm constructed by ex Goldman Sacks VP’s.
Get ready for for Revolution. I am not talking to the people. They are ready. Its u old political corrupt cronies I am talking to. Millions of pissed off people is not what you want. But is what you will have.

lizitiz

I agree with you, Mat, in that this is all about throwing water on the brushfires of revolution in the minds of MORE than a tireless, irate minority. Judging by the crowds at Dr. Paul’s speeches, too many people were getting educated about our Constitution and the rule of law. The federal government has been supplanting the rule of law with the rule of man, using the excuse of fighting terror. People are waking up, en masse, and the powers that be are not yet ready to deal with the groundswell of a liberty revolt. This could erupt into a global revolution since Ron Paul has taught people internationally via the internet. In Biblical terms, they are trying to “strike the shepherd so the sheep will scatter.” The momentum of truth cannot be stopped. The return to small government and big freedom is not based on the cult of personality or the messenger. God Bless, Dr. Paul. and all that he has done…and God bless all of the Americans who are trying to save our country and return her freedoms that have been stripped. I hope and pray that even MORE people attend Tampa to make a statement–we will not have a KING, but a servant-leader called a president who leads for the good of the people, not the global elite. Keep fighting the good fight!

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mat-Brink/100002169078795 Mat Brink

I feel all the tamping down by Doug Weed, and others within the Ron Paul twisted loyalty camp may be to suppress a real revolution. I mean we are gonna have a Festival with 100,000 plus people in Tampa or Orlando. We will have at least last qoute 15,000 troops for Ron Paul at the Tampa Convention, We have millions of disinfranchised voters who have been defrauded by electronic voting and the Old Fat Cronies in the RNC. We have a civil rights national free probono lawsuit against the RNC. Plurality of 5 states? That will be nothing after the lawyers spit out the RNC in the courts of law breaking thier own rules and assaulting Ron Paul delegates.We have a great awakening in America, Occupy Wal Street, Ron Paul and End The Fed.When nationally on Zionist TV , we see Ron get the boot,Nazi style! The great awakening with the great REVOLUTION will turn into a hailstorm of riots. No wonder NATO chose Tampa for thier demos on how to raid house to house for secring small arms and killing those who resist. They must be really scared of us.So when the masses see the obvious scandle unfold nothing is gonna stop us. I truly believe one way or the other this country’s people are getting what they want.Ron Paul. Now you know why they want our guns. Now you can feel the thunder of the Revolution.
I feel they are not worried about the Liberty Movement in 2016 due to the fact they are trying to have total control of voting by computer using ex Goldman Sacks VP’s setting up a company to dominate the computer vote from home system. All votes going to a central data bank under the tyranical control of one crooked firm constructed by ex Goldman Sacks VP’s.
Get ready for for Revolution. I am not talking to the people. They are ready. Its u old political corrupt cronies I am talking to. Millions of pissed off people is not what you want. But is what you will have.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Becky-Barlow/100000197901815 Becky Barlow

Who cares if Rand always supports his promise. If his promise is to be typical politician I’m not impressed.

Rand will lose more support in this political calculation.

Ron speaks honestly AND acts honestly. Some say Ron didn’t succeed as much as he could have if he would have compromised….I totally disagree. No one would have noticed Ron or his message if he compromised like Rand is doing.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Becky-Barlow/100000197901815 Becky Barlow

Who cares if Rand always supports his promise. If his promise is to be typical politician I’m not impressed.

Rand will lose more support in this political calculation.

Ron speaks honestly AND acts honestly. Some say Ron didn’t succeed as much as he could have if he would have compromised….I totally disagree. No one would have noticed Ron or his message if he compromised like Rand is doing.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mat-Brink/100002169078795 Mat Brink

what are u truly fighting for when we dont have free elections?
http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2012/03/absolute-proof-diebold-voting-machines.html

TSA, Homeland security, Drones supporting Mitt Romney? all dont mean shit when we havent elected a president in several generation!!!!

Make this to be a PRIORITY!!!!! Nothing else matters if we the people have no VOICE….Must I YELL!!!!!!!!!

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mat-Brink/100002169078795 Mat Brink

Obama said alot too jsut to get elected..Rand do you honestly believe a word Romney the flip flopper says?

Rand Sellout

I think Rand is full of it. You can’t support ending the TSA, auditing the FED, etc, etc. and then ENDORSE THE STATUS QUO! That’s a cowardly move period. If Ron Paul goes this way then it’s the end of the game, period. The American political system is massively corrupt, period. You can’t endorse this corruption “to help shape the Republican Party and the PLATFORM.” Sounded to me like Rand has done a deal that ensures the Libertarian issues getting some kind of airing in Congress and the Senate, but in reality he’s just sold out. What a wombat! Ron should run at high speed away from his sons position, he’s selling out.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mat-Brink/100002169078795 Mat Brink

How about you push legislation for all Senators and Congressmen to accept Obamacare for themselves. How about a grading scale for all Senators and Congressmen. If you do not meet satisfaction to the people you step down. This can be determined after one year of service. What about Term Limits? How about ejecting all current politicians and starting over…If you dont perform after one year to the satisfactionof the people u go to your local FEMA camp that was designed for us. There u can have the forced vaccines and GMO’s forced on you. Just like us!!! If u are outta line or just not liked for being a whistle blower they will send u to the head chopper offer!!! Just like they plan for us. NATO killers of children and women….soon to be killers of Americans….Just like us….small arms treaty…..there are many, many concerns of the people you represent. I just see major uprisings when Ron Paul is not elected!! They say 5% is needed, we have nearly 20 for sure and if the electronic machines truly counted the votes Ron Paul would be the nominee and President. Fix the rigged elections will you!!! That is what is important!!!

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Pattersom/1309868220 Mike Pattersom

Play along to get along! yea right
I feel that we can’t trust these NeoCon’s
Once they get what they want, they will sweep us under the rug!
OLD Neocon here. But i opened my eyes!
DON”T TRUST THEM!
Fight and slap their a$$ down is the only thing they understand.
Peace;-))

dbassd

The thing that needs to be fixed is election fraud, and that needs to be done first. RP was blackballed from the very first time Donald Trump opened his mouth.
Paper ballots and policing of these ballots. Think of the people that would have at least a little work. . .

http://profile.yahoo.com/TDZAPSZP4C6SYINL2GTKCGVLXE WL

Rand Paul met with Mitt Romney in private before he endorsed Mitt on Hannity.
Mitt: We have your father!
Rand: What’s going on?
Mitt: Sit down Rand, I need to tell you about the new world order and how things will be after this next election!
… 30 minutes later …
Rand: What about my dad?
Mitt: Nothing will happen to him, as long as things go according to plan!

Pwallete

To hell with Rand Paul. He is a traitoe to the cause ans a neocon’s puppet. Loser!

http://www.facebook.com/people/Martin-E-Kral/1165495577 Martin E Kral

Thank you Rand. It was everything that I though it would be. Give me Liberty or give me Rand Paul 2016.

Mike

IWhy endorse anyone if its someone like Romney?

Bill

1) The biggest problem is Romney is a flip flopper and can’t be trusted, he would say something and does somethign else, like Obama’s “Change”. If he can’t be trusted, how can you make your endorsement to a flip flopper? especially at this crucial moment? 2) No one from Ron Paul campaign declared the end of the campaign yet, there still chance for the delegates to change their votes, so Romney will not get enough number of delegates either, but your endorsement will kill this chance. 3) There is lawsuit going on against election fraud now, your endorsement seems like to ignore this lawsuit and support this fraud as well. 4) What you said to most of the supporter is like:” I support Obama , but it has nothing to do with my political physilophy.” because Obama and Romney is really the same kind of politician. 5) Why do you do that now? Why your father didn’t go to Fox with you and do the samething? his earlier support to Newt is complete different from your support to Romney this time, this is huge damage to the liberty movement, that we, as liberty suporters, would only support a leader with consistent message and history, not flip flopper.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6LZHTQIXRSGLWMFKGIQDVULWU4 masterzvoice

What support to Newt? 4 years ago Ron Paul did NOT endorse McCain (who is not even as bad as Romney) after he ended his campaign. Ron Paul endorsed Baldwin of the Constitution Party. That’s the only honest thing to do and Ron has never said he would support the eventual GOP nomineed though they tried and tried and tried to get him to say he would.

rocking chair

I think he was bullied into his endorsement, by the mafia. Rand is scared. It is funny how nobody mentions this. There is A TON of evil money at the top and some of it was used to buy off Rand Paul.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6LZHTQIXRSGLWMFKGIQDVULWU4 masterzvoice

funny, we ALL mention it.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1213351202 Chuck Shepherd

Mafie i.e. the government!
Sanspays

In the end…you can’t cheat or buy off…an honest man

http://profile.yahoo.com/M55BTMRBBYEL7D6UF3KGPZPI6Y Cobain

I think we need to refocus our efforts on another candidate for the liberty movement. We are at a crossroads here. Ron is a great guy and has done great things for our movement(please note OUR movement). Ron Paul would be nowhere without us. I have spent countless hours, money and even wrapped two cars in support of Ron. I think there is a vacuum here because we were expecting Rand to carry the torch but he has decided to play politics instead of stand true. After all, that is what I believe we all want-Someone who will stand true and not compromise. Politics is not how this will be solved. Whether it is Peter Schiff(if you havent watched Peter Schiff goes to Washington, I suggest you do), Gary Johson, or someone else it is not Rand. Someone will emerge and the quest for Liberty and the American Dream wll be back on track.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6LZHTQIXRSGLWMFKGIQDVULWU4 masterzvoice

There are many and it is not Gary Johnson. The focus needs to get away from the PResidency and back to electing honest Congressman in the House and Senate who will not give in to the neo-cons.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1213351202 Chuck Shepherd

Ann Fraley

Why does anyone, Rand or anyone else, care so much about the platform? Any elected official that actually does hold to it is a rate bird. They do not care about it and don’t even try to follow it in their votes. Sure, if you’re there already, go ahead and play the game with it, but it isn’t important enough to show up for, on its own. There’s no reason to go, other than to do our best to nominate Ron.

Ann Fraley

Why does anyone, Rand or anyone else, care so much about the platform? Any elected official that actually does hold to it is a rate bird. They do not care about it and don’t even try to follow it in their votes. Sure, if you’re there already, go ahead and play the game with it, but it isn’t important enough to show up for, on its own. There’s no reason to go, other than to do our best to nominate Ron.

Ann Fraley

The problem is not with the die-hards. It’s the obstacle it makes for the goal of converting other delegates.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6LZHTQIXRSGLWMFKGIQDVULWU4 masterzvoice

What obstacle? Our lawsuit is going to make clear that ALL delegates are UNBOUND by law right now.

Ann Fraley

The problem is not with the die-hards. It’s the obstacle it makes for the goal of converting other delegates.

Ann Fraley

And, it’s not that you don’t support your father. It’s that you don’t support us.

Ann Fraley

And, it’s not that you don’t support your father. It’s that you don’t support us.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1630545103 Lisa Ray

The first goal was to win. The second goal was to reclaim the Republican Party. Still on track…

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6LZHTQIXRSGLWMFKGIQDVULWU4 masterzvoice

No no no. There is no such thing as reclaiming the Republican Party by going to bed with the corrupt hierarchy who has controlled it for 100 years. Is he so pompous that he thinks we can surround himself with these devil infested people and keep a clear head?

Reagan tried it and lost. In a year he was shot and that ended the Reagan we knew. He compromised and became a neo-con from that point on with the help of his astrologer wife.

Ronskilbeck

Good interview. Much better than Hannity.

Voltaire404

Didn’t the freedom loving Rand recently support sanctions against Iran, which are an act of war?

Rand Paul’s announcement was nothing more than attempt to derail the Paul movement before the convention and Ron Paul’s silence tells us that either nepotism rules or he actually told Rand to make the announcement in order to, defacto, to kill his own campaign.

I also want to know when this decision was made. I would hate to think that recent expensive fund raising events, which I paid to attend, were conducted after this decision was made. If so, I would pissed off enough to consider a lawsuit against the Ron Paul campaign for misrepresentation.

When is Ron Paul going to say something. His silence is deadening. He can’t keep hiding.

http://naturallaw.info/ Steve

Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. Sure it makes sense to think about where to go now that he thinks there isn’t enough delegates. However that doesn’t mean he has to go on TV and support someone who doesn’t share his or our views. How nice, he has the statement he made in the past to justify why he did this. He should keep his word, problem is though saying that in the past was the first mistake, he should have never said he would back the nominee, that is like swearing allegiance to some party, crown, or secret society, always a big mistake, always opposite of freedom. He isn’t free, he is party bound. He does not have the character I’d like to see in a president.

Laurie

He is a sell out. Period. The Paul’s needed to hold their ground if they ever wanted to win. Now the “big government politicians know they have the upper hand. How incredibly sad! They won. They were just going cry “uncle” and they turned it around and you cried “uncle” instead. So close Now it is all lost. All you liberty minded people come and join us at the Constitution Party http:/www.constitutionparty.org

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1213351202 Chuck Shepherd

Blah, blah, blah, blah…typical sleazy politician selling out his principles! Kurt didn’t ask any of the good questions I read on this site then tried to sell us a crappy t-shirt! Sounds like they’ve given up on the r3VOLution! Time to switch to Gary Johnson!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X3QRSIXgns

Voltaire404

I guess Rand also supports the real possibility of Joe Lieberman or someone just as bad (John McCain) being made Secretary of State and Romney’s huge coterie of Necons being reinstalled within the State and Defense Departments.

Isn’t arch Neocon Donald Kagan now Romney’s most trusted adviser in foreign affairs? Are the rest of the Neocons that got us in to the Iraq war in the first place now being eagerly sought out to reoccupy the positions they had under Bush the Jr. Is Richard Perle already packing his bags in anticipation of a move back to Washington in anticipation of a Romney victory? Will it be Romney that finally pardons Jonathan Pollard.

Rand Paul’s vote for Iran sanctions was nothing more than a self serving appeal to the Israel first-ers who are the ones primarily pushing these sanctions. He has already sold out.

I expect him to announce in the near future that he is being measured for a yarmulke for his upcoming, all expenses paid, “fact finding” visit to the Wailing Wall.

I am actually not kidding. Let’s see if he decides to make this trip. That will be the ultimate tip off.

http://www.facebook.com/iconic.freedom26 Iconic Freedom

what you’re doing is so loud, Rand, I can’t hear what you’re saying

http://www.facebook.com/iconic.freedom26 Iconic Freedom

freedom or force – there is no other choice

be insulted all you want, Rand, but you are either about one or the other, your choices go in one direction or the other

there is no other reality – it’s a fact that is observable

if YOU want to continue the sham of the corporation, that’s your choice, but there are plenty of us that aren’t going to

the scam is a sham and we’re on to the game

Humandrone

This is BS when do we hear from Dr.Paul ?

This douche Rand supporting Romney is basically giving the election to Obama. America won’t last another 4 years.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Carmody/746143427 Aaron Carmody

I think Rand is making the best of the situation. ONe does need to know how to pick your battles. It is the art of war.

http://www.facebook.com/christine.flies Christine J. Flies

I just found out that the Ron Paul Campaign is not going to register for a write in on the November ballot, I am thourghly disappointed and now believe this is nothing more than another scam by the political BS that has been going on for years in this country. Apparently we aren’t allowed to vote for who we really want for our president.

saintgirl11

Thank you to Rand Paul for speaking directly with us, the grassroots.

Like everyone, I was shocked and upset by this endorsement at first — not so much that Rand endorsed the nominee, but I thought the timing was way off. He was obviously reluctant to do it, and begged the question of WHY. But listening to his own words and explanation (along with some re-reading of Art of War) confirms what I always wanted to believe: that Rand is an essential part of the future of the liberty movement, and will maintain his principles in true Paul fashion.

The other part of the liberty movement is US — and we can’t stop working now, the battle has just begun.

shane

What about the Republican Party nomination voting fraud, particularly in the primaries?.. With the exception of parts of the caucuses, seems most of the delegate totals were literally made up.. This needs to be addressed by Ron Paul himself.

BloodStock

Let the REVOLUTION continue, period!

ForLiberty!

Rand is not a sellout! So stop saying he is!

Koniec14

I’m a Ron Paul fan and you all need to relax. Rand is playing politics at the most minimal level. If that is enough for you to completely turn on him and all the positions he has stuck too then no one who supports the ideas of liberty will ever control the white house. We need to wake up to the reality that Ron Paul will never be president. It’s over. It will never happen. Let’s take this movement forward by taking over the GOP. Some politicking will be needed in order for this to happen. Rand Paul’s views are closer to Ron’s than Gary Johnson’s are by the way.

Goodskymike1

It’s a huge disappointment . . . people say Ron Palu isn’t Rand – but they coordinated all of this. We were played and the globalists are laughing at us

ryklad

this is the exactly the same interview as the one he did with peter schiff. sure his answers sound good and even seem to make a little sense, but it all seems to be rehearsed to me. i am a ron paul supporter from canada so i can’t vote in your elections, but rand nominating romney, reguardless of what he said in my opinion goes against everything the movement stands for. even ron paul has stated you don’t quit the race before it’s over. why the hell promise to endorse the nominee in the first place? sorry rand you screwed up, not just for yourself, but for the cause of liberty and for all your father and his supporters are fighting for.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1301618651 Mike Reynolds

The liberty agenda was moving ahead nicely until this traitor rand paul divided it with his support of romney as he stated we will have the biggest contingent of liberty loving people at this years convention in HISTORY because of his fathers attitude of not compromising and not being part of the establishment that Rand just joined he is a sell out end of story. Im done with compromising scum bags like rand and all of you that support this will just see more of the same in washington NOTHING getting done because they always have to pay back the favors and they do it with OUR tax dollars wake the hell up!!!

Wmajest2630

The only thing that is dividing this movement are people like you who are allowing it to.

The only negative effect that this endorsement has had is this–a bunch of people booing and hooing about it.

You, in fact, and like minded people, are guilty of dividing the movement, not Rand.

Jfrog366

So do you suggest we all follow your lead and begin backing neo-cons and flip floppers? Why are you selling the liberty movement to the corrupt GOP? Why did you tell us that Romney wants the fed audited when he has said over and over he does not want the fed audited? Are you now a flip flopper like him?

Jfrog366

So all Rand did was bash us supporters and tell us to be milk toast nice like he is…I got into this fight to put Ron in the White house not to further Rands political ambitions as he gets in bed with the elite..Why isn’t Rand bashing the Romney people for attacking RP delagates? Why won’t Rand talk to us “mean spirited” RP supporters, I guess we arn’t as nice as the new neocon friends he now has. Why does he only talk to the MSM and not get in front of the people who faught to put him and his father where they are today?

Rwcombs

Just another politician. He cannot and now will never measure up to his fathers amazing record. We need to find someone else to trust in as our next leader in the liberty movement. Rand now has lost his respect. I pray to God that Ron does not throw his support to Romney

http://www.facebook.com/scott.ford.946 Scott Ford

Rand Paul & Ron Paul are Benedick Arnold !

uk6strings

I must protest the bizarre nature in which many within this fine liberty movement have reacted to Rand Paul’s so-called “endorsement” of Mitt Romney.

First of all, anyone who has been following Rand Paul at all has known for at least a year that he had always planned on “supporting the eventual nominee.” That does not mean that one has to agree with or copy his decision – however, any surprise to the news of Rand’s support of Romney after the admission by the Ron Paul campaign that they do not have the math required to secure the GOP nomination is painfully curious. Obviously, Rand Paul finds it important to support his Party’s nominee over Obama for the benefit of the future of the liberty movement. Although I will not be supporting Romney, I find Rand’s decision understandable and have a feeling that it will pay off in the future. The Republican Party can only get more libertarian – I see no reason to burn bridges yet.

Secondly, “delusional” is how I would describe the idea that Rand Paul has “stabbed his father/the movement in the back” with his recent announcement. The very idea that Ron Paul had not spoken to and accepted Rand’s decision beforehand is preposterous. Anyone with a semi-close family should understand that! But I do not see how it hurts the movement in the first place. Rand Paul is not the movement; Ron Paul is not the movement – the movement is the passion and philosophy that WE hold and unleash upon the political establishment based on our set of principles. That movement will be forever guided by Ron Paul – dead or alive – Thomas Jefferson, Murray Rothbard, Tom Woods, etc. through their immortalized works.

Finally, the death threats and personal attacks on Rand are uncalled for; they lack the class and humility of a group committed to a non-violent philosophy and, of course, does not begin to mirror the honorable manner of Ron Paul, of whom we all support so much and who along with Rand’s wife and kids is certainly hurt at the way his son is being treated. Plus, it simply rings of the emotional knee-jerk reactionist ramblings that we all hate to watch the neocons and progressives exercise. It is wholly shameful.

Meanwhile, Rand Paul continues to attack the TSA, illegal searches, drone spying, internet censorship, unlawful war, spending and regulation from the Senate floor. He has earned our hard-earned respect and support, I should think. Is he Ron Paul? No. There is and will be only one Ron Paul. It was a noble fight but we lost this year. We all knew it was a longshot and an important step towards a future of fighting. Are we going to turn away from the movement to heap bile, threats and insults upon our greatest ally in the Senate – let along one another – distracting from the ultimate goal of dismantling the State in its current form?

http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Lofton/100000422569879 John Lofton

Psalm 146 warns us against trusting in princes, politicians. Our country is in trouble primarily because we have forgotten God (Psalm 9:17) — the God of the Bible — and because we continue to refuse to kiss the Son (Psalm 2.) “Politics” will not save us.

John Lofton, Recovering Republican
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Custard_Pie_In_Your_Face

I respect Rand Pauls right to make his own political decisions but the fact that he did not see this backlash coming simply amazes me. Anyone with half a finger on the pulse could see it coming.

I’m getting seriously concerned for Ron Paul. I think that he has been lone figure for so long, that the only people he felt that he could trust were close family members. Listening to Rand Paul, Jack Hunter and others such as Doug Wead and Jesse Benton it seems as though he has ended up surrounding himself with an inner circle who do not fully share his beliefs as much as many of his grass roots supporters do. To some extent they may have insulated him from his grass roots supporters.

As a result, the prime objective for the campaign seems to have been not to get Ron Paul elected, but to pass the ‘dynasty’ to Rand Paul. For Rand Paul it was all about his political future. For the hangers on, it was all about continuing to hang on to the cash cow that is the Ron Paul movement.

I was never a fan of Rand Paul. His split with his father over the Ground Zero Mosque showed me that he was a signed up member of the self righteous Bible bashing club while Ron Paul yet again stuck to his principles. Nevertheless I am stunned by this selfish move by Rand. There is nothing clever or strategic about it. Statements now by Rand Paul and Jack Hunter are nothing more than damage limitation.

For months the anti-Ron Paul forces have been accusing Ron Paul of doing a back room deal with Romney. He was labelled a hypocrite and a wingman for Romney. He was accused of selling out his supporters for the future of his son. And while Ron Pauls supporters have been fighting Ron Pauls corner against these accusations, Rand Paul hands them an RPG to blow his fathers reputation out of the water.

I can understand Ron Paul blessing Rand Pauls decision to endorse Romney. How can the promoter of individual liberty turn round and forbid his own son from making his own decisions?

Yet, I cannot for the life of me understand the urgency. Why could he not just wait until after Tampa? Why announce your endorsement on Fox News? The most anti-Ron Paul TV broadcaster on the planet. And the Hannity Show? The smug son of a bitch was absolutely reveling in it.

As a leader of a movement and a father of a son destroying each other, I can’t begin to imagine what Ron Paul must be going through.

Drzacharysmith

Rand, you are delusional. You are not gonna change things from the inside out. Your endorsement represents a compromise of your integrity and positions, period. If you think Romney will need you after he’s elected, you are delusional. You sold your soul to the devil. You will have no influence with a Romney presidency and you have just diminished the support that those who are committed to liberty had for you.

TRacy Saboe

But what about the whole “The lessor of 2 evils is still evil.”

Wmajest2630

Oh, won’t it be fun to answer our children when they ask “why did the liberty movement fail?”

And we will all have to look back and answer “well, because the movement had too many childish ideologs, and they divided the party over a meaningless endorsement.”

“Really, over an endorsement?”

“Yea, apparently a lot of supporters thought that the movement was all about sentimentality and fiery speeches on youtube, not ACTUALLY changing the country and getting things done.”

Guildpaint

who cares what romney says???? liars lie

Guildpaint

If it doesnt matter if its a r or d on his principles why do this at all

Wmajest2630

Man, I am very pleased that so many of you are limited to your computer screens and that Rand Paul is out there making the hard decisions and helping to change this country.

Thank you, Rand.

JonDoe

ahemMITT’s VPahem

scratchy throat, sorry..

JohnDoe

it wreaks of compromise.

JAdams

c’mon he’s right he is doing work while we are complaining. time will tell if Rand is a snake or not, give him the benefit of the doubt, he unlike most politicans, has given you good reason to do so.

Octobox

Rand should of “known” his community and how they’d react — you can’t just throw words around the liberty movement like “I support Romney for President” — that’s not a first-time-heard rational expression.

Now that he’s explained himself I can accept his answer and his rationale.

However, I don’t suffer from the adherence of Einstein’s Definition of Insanity in regard to Voting and Lobbying as a means to bring about a free-market or liberty.

If you participate in Voting and Lobbying, history shows you are growing gov’t, since it’s never resulted in smaller gov’t activity, hahahaha. But I’m just observing all human history; “hey let’s not give up on these things, it could work next time”

You know what — I think the Bankers are so stupid that their guaranteed wealth is hanging perilessly by the whims of Dems and Repubs — they did not think it through!

—That was sarcasm. According to all US History the two or three major parties support banking (of one sort or another).

Dan

No kidding, if voting could make a difference then it would be illegal.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=588939746 Pierre Schnehage

He makes sense. I know the people are angry but he doesn’t make enemies. Check out THRIVE for our growing solidarity. Google it.

Mad but not surprised

Mitt Romney has been chosen only because he is so terrible that few others could assure Obama’s re-election. Even if Romney were electable, does anyone really think a President Romney would even acknowledge Rand Paul, much less the policies of Ron Paul? Legalized hemp and ‘concerns’ about the TSA indeed. We all know that Romney wouldn’t even throw us those bones.

If Ron Paul had been the nominee you can be sure that Romney and Santorum and Gingrich and most of the big shots in the Republican party would be condemning their own party’s nominee tooth and nail. Go back and look at what they did to Goldwater in 1964. They, including George Romney, virtually assured Johnson’s landslide. The least Rand Paul could have done was to wait until after the convention to deliver on his ‘promise’. That would still have been more than they would do for us.

If we ever want to have any kind of real choice between Democrats and Republicans we must work to assure the defeat of the fakes in the Republican party. And you can’t get more fake than Mitt Romney. As of 2012 I’ll be supporting any Democrat nominee, no matter how despicable, until the Republicans nominate someone who is at least as genuine as Ron Paul, if it ever happens. I won’t hold my breath.

RJ

This strategy is genius to me. It reminds me a lot of the approach of much of the Arab nations and their view of the United Nations. They know full well that the UN is a completely discredited institution, but since it’s still being pushed by the globalists in their use of it to push their agenda, the Arab nations play along with their game by sending delegates. Does that mean they believe in the legitimacy of the UN? Heck no, it’s just a tool to further what’s right. Furthermore, there’s nothing wrong with transforming what someone meant to use for criminal intentions into a force for Liberty and Truth.

ronb28135

I think that what the issue boils down to is whether or not Rand Paul’s judgement will bear fruit at the convention for the liberty movement or not. If we are snubbed (most likely I think) at the convention then his judgement will be seen as having been poor and his reputation may suffer a bit for a while. I don’t think that his endorsement will have any long range effect on his popularity.
And I really don’t believe that Romney will give us our due, he has to satisfy his Establishment handlers, not us.

Rand Paul does make some good points about his legislative successes since becoming a Senator. His warnings about what could have happened if he wasn’t in the Senate should be heeded. Maybe he isn’t perfect but he is still doing a good job for us.

It is too soon for questions to be answered about where the liberty movement is going. That will be decided either on the floor of the convention as events unfold or it will be decided later on at state events. Everything is dependent on what happens at the convention.

G Brownfield

We can move forward without endorsing a bought and paid for candidate. I am disappointed and I voted for Rand.

http://www.facebook.com/TheLibertarianPhilanthropist Jeff Goodwin

Ron gave the nation a political education and now Rand is giving us a gentleman education. Take heed. God Bless the Paul family.

CSN

Listen, to endorse Mitt Romney is the same as saying I endorse the Communist Party USA. He isn’t the true nominee. To take Ron Paul’s Caucus votes and throw them away, or just not count them in precincts where he won is stealing an election. The PTB put Romney in place, because he’s for Big Bank Bailouts, Corporatism, Crony Corportism, and he said: “I will Never audit the Federal Reserve”. Look up the Youtube videos and see for yourself what this Flip-flopping Bilderberger/Insider/OWG proponent thinks. If the Bushes approve of Romney, believe me, he’s not outside the beltway. Bush and Company include Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, GHWB, and are all Neocons in the First Degree. Rand Paul didn’t have to endorse Romney. I would ask Rand Paul this question…..”Which Romney are you going to endorse? The one who is Pro-Choice or the one who is Pro-Life? The one who is for Gay Rights? or the one who is for One Man and One Woman marriage, but who implemented Gay rights in his state of Wisconsin. The man who said he’d never audit the Federal Reserve, or the one who said he might audit the Federal Reserve. If a man cannot keep to his word, changes like the wind, and is part of the Elite, you’ve not got a chance in a million that he’s ever going to be the person he pretends he is.

CSN

Rand…Romney will NEVER audit the FED. You’ve been duped. I guess the lesson here is: “Live and Learn”. Sorry Rand, you’re a little naive. Watch the process develop. Once Romney gets the approval of NOMINEE, he’ll just do what he’s always dnne, live like a Neocon. Advance the OWG agenda. Rand….you can’t skin a lizard with a butter knife. Romney = Bilderberg = CFR = OWG Agenda.

http://profile.yahoo.com/RSF5N5VFXK7XLYNOOQIUC5UH34 WeDidit

The Audit The Fed vote,, in the House, is in a few weeks.. Think about it.
It’s on our doorstep, now.. Again, think about it.

I wish I could swap Rand for one of my Senators. Either of them.
Rand has voted 99% of the time in how I think. My state’s 2 Senators never have.
- CSN
  
  Rand is in the Senate. Ron is the House. Sure I’d take Rand instead of the two dummies in our State, but I still wouldn’t endorse Romney…no matter what.
  - http://profile.yahoo.com/RSF5N5VFXK7XLYNOOQIUC5UH34 WeDidit
    
    Yes, but Rand is leading the charge to audit the Fed in the Senate, while Ron is leading the charge in the House. The House vote comes first, and if it passes, then the Senate.
    
    The weak watery endorsement Rand gave Mitt is more than balanced by the acknowledgement that Mitt supports an audit. Of course, if Mitt did win the presidency, he could possibly flip flop on that (again) ..
    But, the vote in the House is in a few weeks, not after August, not after November.
    
    Rand has said, that just because he endorsed Mitt, doesn’t mean he endorses his policies. Then, he again mentioned Mitt agrees on Audit The Fed.
    
    I heard that. You heard that. Every single legislator heard that.

Thom

GW Bush ran for his first term with a solidly antiwar, constitutional platform. No one paid a moment’s attention to this platform, least of all Bush. Directing people toward influencing the platform is a dishonest diversion.

Peavygreg

Rand Paul is a typical politician, but he needs to realize that he better have a deal with Romney to run as VP, because as one of the people who voted for him in Kentucky, I will do my best to see that he is not reelected in my state! He is a coward and now, a probably very rich one, and Rand you are the INSULT to everyone who supported you !!

Peavygreg

Rand, one more thing, you are not there to think for the people or do what YOU think is best for the people. YOU are supposed to be a representative OF THE PEOPLE ! YOU may not understand this concept, but YOU are obligated as a representative OF THE PEOPLE you represent, to impose and vote the way WE THE PEOPLE you represent, feel is right for US!! But there is not as much money and personal gain in doing what we trusted you to do is there ? You feel out disappointment and retaliation in the next election. KENTUCKY ! Stay true or be gone!!

Peavygreg

Rand you might want to think about relocating to Texas or any other place your new owner’s feel is viable for ! You have destroyed yourself in KENTUCKY !!

Dave Wilson

I’m glad to see Rand answered his critiques and didn’t back down….for those that have this knee jerk reaction over his endorsement of Mittens or accuse him of not being Ron, please go look at his voting record which is what really counts. I’m a fan of Alex Jones but he really stuck his foot in his mouth with his rants without thought. Rand Paul 2016….or 2020

The Federal Farmer

It’s not Rand’s libertarian or constitutional stance. Rather, it’s his word “endorse” in the same sentence with the anti-constitutional Romney. We will NEVER get those like Romney to support us. They won’t do it at all. So what does your word “endorse” mean Rand?

The Federal Farmer

This is what happens when Rand decides to listen to the likes of Mike Rothfeld and Saber Communications…..nice….from a guy who thinks it’s better that Obama become president…..

Anon_ymous

It’s the timing. Endorse after the hundreds of Ron Paul delegates have a chance to vote for him at the national convention, not before. How many other republicans have publicly endorsed Romney? Not many, and you could be one of those sitting on the sidelines rather than on the side of a guy that is blatantly doing anything he has to in order to become president. Someone who will ask his lawyers what he can do in any situation as president. Someone who will spend more, hasten the dollar collapse, kill the economy, and start unneeded wars. Everyone is right to criticize you.

PatrickHenry1789

I was very upset when I first heard this, but I’ve been following politics for a very long time now. I’ve also been following Ron Paul for a very long time and have been an ardent supporter of his. I’m a little older now and have waited a little while to pass judgement on Rand. I think this was a strategic move on his part. I love his dad, but let’s face it, he’s the modern day equivalent of Thomas Jefferson. TJ wasn’t a very good orator, but he was a GREAT statesman. I’ve come to the realization that there is no such thing as finding a political soul mate. There are a few things that I disagree with Ron on.

None of those things are deal breakers for me though, just like I’m sure there will be some things that I will disagree with Rand on. I campaigned hard for Ron and I can tell you that of the hundreds of people that I talked with. Probably the number 2 reason that I heard from these many calls for the reason they wouldn’t vote for Ron was because of some of his “passionate” supporters. You can’t just go around sticking your middle finger in peoples faces because you don’t agree with them politically.

I think this election cycle was a tremendous leap forward for the liberty movement. I read somewhere that Ron doubled his vote count from 2008. I kill them with kindness and then I kill them with the Constitution. If it’s just some brainwashed college kid, I can usually have him or her rethinking their political ideology within 30 minutes. I carry pocket Constitutions with me all the time and give them out while I’m talking to misguided people. I think education is key here because the Constitution and REAL American history aren’t taught in the govt.run school cocoon any more.

I had to sit down and analyze it like a game of football. We didn’t score a touchdown this cycle, but we moved the ball forward. And if we keep doing that, eventually we’ll score a touchdown IMHO. I hope that everyone within the liberty movement will keep fighting for our principles and values. I also hope that we can be respectful to other people while doing so, we’ll win more over that way.

Ben K

Judge you on your record? Like sanctions against Iran? The apple has fallen far from the tree indeed.

Storris

A Constitutional reformer looks a lot like a Libertarian when the rest of the picture is taken up by Romnom and Obamination. – Attacking the use of Drones, the Drug War and the banning of raw milk sales is not libertarian, it is Republican and Constitutional.

We need to get some points straight on this issue. Ron Paul and Rand Paul are not offering any libertarian policies. They are offering Republican, and constitutional reforms to the current social-democratic program that is being offered by Romnek, Obamatron and everyone else in the US.

What’s the difference between Constitutionalism and Libertarianism? The Constitution is the difference. The Constitution is a liberal* government manifesto.
*classically liberal

What does a Libertarian document document look like? –

http://www.icts.uiowa.edu/sites/default/files/contract.jpg

(No copyright infringement intended, used under ‘fair use’ for education and information purposes only.)

Those libertarians supporting Ron Paul, including me, are doing so as part of the movement towards the ultimate goal of self-government by contracts freely entered into by each party in their own interests.

Those who are not libertarians – Republicans, Democrats and Independents – are supporting Ron Paul because they support the foundations upon which the United States of America were built, The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights.

These documents ‘legitimise’ what libertarians do not need to have legitimised. The differing philosophies of the State of Nature (see Locke, Hobbes, Rousseau and Ayn Rand) need to be understood (are rights and morality granted only by government/society, or are they inherent in man in nature?)

To claim that either a Senator or Congressman could be running for election on Libertarian principles is almost laughable. It kind of runs against the grain and would leave them open to chants of “Hypocrisy” from people like me. They are running on and serving on Republican and constitutional platforms. I’m glad these guys are in the government (Ron more than Rand, I just don’t think he really believes his father is right. I guess we’ll see some time soon) no matter what their policy and legislative decisions are. They are making Americans ask the kinds of questions that these guys – http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Scene_at_the_Signing_of_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States.png – asked about King George III, questions that would not otherwise be asked.

(No copyright infringement intended, used under ‘fair use’ for education and information purposes only.)

For the supporters of Americas founding principles, Ron Paul and The Constitution are the goal. (The Jury is still out on Rand)

For libertarians, this is just the beginning of a long road.

Peace, Liberty and Prosperity. Nothing less will do.

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